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heman466s
Aim CIP Ranchi

FAQ: USMLE - before or after PG? [#]
hi there...i ahve just graduated in march this year....and ia m really confused if i shud go for usmle now or after i do my pg here..wat r the pros and cons...can someone kindly help.........i really really need to kno this.....

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heman466s
Aim CIP Ranchi

usmle before or after pg
can ne one plz clear my doubts ...if i shud give usmle before or after pg??!!i really need to know..this..wat r the advantages and disadvantages..plzi really need to kno..


drcak61963
Aim PGIMS

Both have adv and disadv ...u can go by ur affinity ..as the first aim is to fulfil ur dream ..so know ur priority then go for it..that's it


heman466s
Aim CIP Ranchi

they thanx really appreciate ur response !!but cud u plz elaborate...as to waat r t he advantages and wat r the disadvantages.....as this wud really help me in decideing..thanx..


sunrise123
Aim Andhra Pradesh PG

USMLE is a long process.u need to get VISA and very good scores in steps ,clear CS and then matching requires a lot of luck..lot of expenses too.
if u complete PG here and go there even if luck does'nt favour u,there is always ur degree in India which u can rely upon.
so if u do PG here and then write USMLE it will be better ,u can even fund ur expenses then..
this is my opinion though....all the best...


heman466s
Aim CIP Ranchi

hey thanx for the help...but i guess there r some programmes that prefer only fresh graduates...is that true...and cud u tell me if that is the case in psycihatry programmes..help will be appreciated...icon_smile.gif


drkrishusa
Aim NIMHANS

every thing has its own adv and disav :: dont think ttoooo much .. like u i tought of the same.. but ultimately mle guys requires good docotrs most preferbly freshers..my sincere suggestion 4 u is not to discuss with the poersons in india who r preparing for rest of mle


heman466s
Aim CIP Ranchi

drkrishusa wrote:
every thing has its own adv and disav :: dont think ttoooo much .. like u i tought of the same.. but ultimately mle guys requires good docotrs most preferbly freshers..my sincere suggestion 4 u is not to discuss with the poersons in india who r preparing for rest of mle


not to discuss with persons in india who r preparing for mle?????!!!wat do u mean by tat?


Chips


It depends on you .. both are tough and both require time .. USMLE needs money as well ..

i've gone thru both sides of the story... but you are the best person to decide what you want in life.


drkrishusa
Aim NIMHANS

@heman466 :: hey sorry man , i mean that not to talk to those who gave up mle in the mid and speak neagtive


doctr
Aim NEET PG 2012

heman466s wrote:
hey thanx for the help...but i guess there r some programmes that prefer only fresh graduates...is that true...and cud u tell me if that is the case in psycihatry programmes..help will be appreciated...icon_smile.gif
yeah cud someone pls elaborate on dat coz den 1 yr prep for pg+3yrs pg+atleast 1 yr prep for all 3 steps+nxt 1 yr for visas/intrview....do u really think its a ryt step??i mean writting mle aftr pg[m myslf in dis turf dat i cud possibly write mle only aftr pg completion].....


heman466s
Aim CIP Ranchi

hmmmm..u cud wirte ur mle once u clear ur pg entrance ..maybe the 1st year pg u cud start preparing and keep giving steps in subsequent years...so that when u finally pass put of ur pg...u have cleared all ur steps....


doctr
Aim NEET PG 2012

hey bt 1st yr pg is nt so free prd. i guess....my bro is doing md medicine [1st year] and dey dont get evn a singl day off...atleast not in 1st yr...


doctr
Aim NEET PG 2012

btw hv u enquired furthr abt dis fresh graduate issue from anywher???


heman466s
Aim CIP Ranchi

yeah my sis is doing her residency there she told me that there are some programmes...who prefer fresh grads..!


heman466s
Aim CIP Ranchi

am confused as i want to do my residency from usa and come bac and join some corporate hospital as it wud give me a very good edge..so doing md fro india then doing residency all over again..and then coming bac to india makes no sense..it may be goood for those who plan to settle there...ne suggestions ne one?


heman466s
Aim CIP Ranchi

am confused as i want to do my residency from usa and come bac and join some corporate hospital as it wud give me a very good edge..so doing md fro india then doing residency all over again..and then coming bac to india makes no sense..it may be goood for those who plan to settle there...ne suggestions ne one?


Amena
Aim DNB Part 1

even I want to do my residency frm US n then cum back to India....I think it does make sense....


heman466s
Aim CIP Ranchi

ne suggestions ne on...how can we decide what is the rite path..usmle after md ...or direclty usmle!!plz plz help


romal
Aim MRCPCH Part 2

how does doing usmle and coming back to india make sense ....better do pg from only if u have to come back?


ravi333222
Aim DM Gastroenterology

well it depends on an individual..
for a good student from a typical middle class family,going after MD is better,reasons are...
you have a safety factor,even if u have to return,at least you wont starve and can always go to gulf etc as well,another reason is that post pg you can fund ur own exams and are not usually dependent on ur parents for the moolah,third it may help in visa matters as well,fourth with a pg in say medicine ur residency in medicine in usa will be a piece of cake,also in pg u can get some publications and they really help in getting a good programme...
having said that if u are from a rich family or ur relatives are already in us or u have a green card or u r DESPERATE to leave the stinking hospitals here,then catch a plane and fly to ur dreams.


romal
Aim MRCPCH Part 2

thanks for that reply ravi333222 ....i want to know that after having done MD paediatrics here is it a gud idea of going back 4 yrs and preparing for USMLE part 1 ....r there more people like me aspiring for US........ or i should go ahead with my career here which seems full of struggle despite doing MD from premiere institute in India.....


sirius
Aim DM Cardiology

before pg is good...


doubt_master
Aim NEET PG

s it that after md in india you can do ur fellowship at US but one has to come back?

if i hav done md frm india n want to settle in usa.is it possible.do they give service after felllowship?

or pg residency is must in usa for getting job?


docOc
Aim USMLE Step 1

USMLE after doing an MD in India
hello friends
this is one question that must have popped in many minds.
Reason - apart from M.D medicine or M.S. General surgery the options of superspecialisation in other subjects are too far and few.................
So like us ( we are a postgraduate couple embarking on this mission)
there must be many more out there,
willing to voice their insecurities.
will I get the subject I did my post graduation in???????????
will I be able to go all the way through Step1,2,3..............................
the road is long and dreary...................................
lets come together and face our fears
lets help each other cross this road...................


docOc
Aim USMLE Step 1

Considering one bears the cost of all three steps and manages his level best scores, can one make up for the loss by joining residency?......moneywise.....timewise........subject wise.
what are the chances of landing pediatric residency and then pediatric fellowship??
what are the chances of radiation oncology residency and then fellowship?


sovan
Aim USMLE Step 1

I have hear radiation oncology needs very high scores. the road is indeed long..................


sovan
Aim USMLE Step 1

Can anyone please tell me the calender for USMLE Step1 2012 dates????


usmlevideos


if you are able to join residency, then be assured that your investment in terms of money and time will pay off... FOR SURE...!!

but the bottom line is getting a residency in US.

getting a paediatric residency is quite possible but IMGs. its within reach.
but radiation oncolgy would be difficult to get into, im not saying its impossible... but to be very frank, its difficult.

good profile would be sumthing like following:
(however, no single factor can guarantee ur residency, its combination of these)

1) no gaps after completion of your MBBS, your MD will be considered as your experience in that speciality and nothing more than that.

2) fresh graduate i.e years since graduation being less than 5 years.

3) great USMLE scores on steps. consider to get above 225. scores above 225 will help you land up with more interviews. however it also depend upon the branch you are aspiring for.

4) USCE that is united states clinical experince in the form of clerkships, observerships or externships.it is one of the most important factors.

5) reseaech experience. the higher the number of research papers published, the more are your chances. research done in USA is more valued.

6) last and very important factor is impressing PDs (progrrame directors) during your interviews.

if your profile is excellent, but your gave your interview badly, it amounts to FAILURE in getting residency in that particular prog. so never ever neglect the importance of a good interview. because you are making your CV just to impress PD, so that he/she may think you are worthy of the residency spot in their programe.

in general, they recieve aroud 2500-3000 applications for 7-9 residency spots, so you can imagine the competetion (you are competing with the docs from around the globe, coz doctors from every country aspire to work in US)

so develop your profile accordingly.

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docOc
Aim USMLE Step 1

wot is more worrisome is getting pediatric and radiation oncology residency in the same college or city...................nightmarish..........but the challenge seems too tempting??wot to do???


usmlevideos


challenge may seem tempting... and may be you both will end up getting up in same college..!! there is a couple match also... its relatively easy for couples...!!

go ahead if have nothing to loose... coz you are already a MD.


docOc
Aim USMLE Step 1

really that sounds good.a positive feeling will bring good results.
know any such combinations who have made it to the residency of their choice.


usmlevideos


Introduction to the Couples Match

University of Rochester
Radiation Oncology Residency

Couples Match at Rochester
University of Rochester has a long history of success with the couples match. This means that our institution is not only familiar with the stresses of couples matching, but is also able to anticipate potential problems and avoid them. When applying to residencies, you must consider how well the different programs communicated with each other. Communications between the Chairpersons, Residency Directors and Chief Residents between the programs will only benefit the applicant. The communication at the administration level is advantageous especially during the application process with scheduling interviews and ranking.
At University of Rochester, our Faculty, Chief Residents, and Residents are well experienced with the couples match and understand the stresses and challenges. We hope this document will help you understand the basics of the Couples Match and demonstrates our dedication to helping couples entering residency. If you have any questions, we have many experienced people who would love to help and discuss their experiences.

What is the Couples Match?
The National Resident Matching Program (NRMP) allows any two people in the match to link their rank list. You create your rank list together, and the system guarantees that you will be placed in a combination that you have chosen. Both applicants will match at the highest rank combination in which both have been accepted. In order to sign up for the Couples Match, you must designate it on your NRMP match list. You do not have to decide to Couples Match until you submit your match list. The Electronic Residency Application Service (ERAS) application does not require any information about Couples Matching.

Who can participate in a Couples Match?
Anyone two people can agree to Couples Match! Married couples, engaged couples, dating couples, best friends or enemies. You can Couples Match with a person from another school, i.e., a Dartmouth-Brown person. You do not need to be married or have any formal documentation of a relationship. In the case of best friends or couples that want to be in the same program/area, you coordinate your match list so that you can be near each other. As for enemies, they may chose to coordinate their lists so that, if one person is on the east coast, the other person will be on the west coast to insure a good 3000 miles between the two. As a couple, the NRMP will find your highest ranked choice combination that you both match.

When do we need to decide we are Couples matching?
You don’t officially need to decide until you enter your Rank Order List (ROL) in mid-February. It’s best, however, to make the decision to Couples Match earlier rather than later. It is to your advantage most of the time (see the “Informing Programs of Couples match Status” section below). Programs want to know this information. It helps with setting up interview dates (see the “Interviews” section below).

What are the fees to enter the Couples match?
1. $40 per person to enter match. This fee is paid in the summer. Everyone pays it regardless of being a couple or not.
2. $15 per person when entering rank list. This is paid by couples only.
3. $30 per person per program when you rank greater than 15 programs. You do not have to pay extra if you have over 15 combinations, it just means programs.


docOc
Aim USMLE Step 1

I have applied for my ECFMG number but they haven't mailed me yet..two days already....im worried about how long it'll take before i can apply for step 1, Considering they want official confirmation of our graduation degree......can I not get the application signed from the principal and post it myself..that way it'll be faster.


docOc
Aim USMLE Step 1

if after clearing step 1 and step 2 , one decides to get into a fellowship program on J - 1 visa?
is that a possibility.................does it happen commonly?


docOc
Aim USMLE Step 1

calling all those MD couples who will be appearing from kolkata/ delhi? we could co ordinate our timings? team work is always better!


mparvez
Aim USMLE Jobs

I always encourage every Img to have an optimistic mind along with realstic apprach. Please do your home work by finding how many Img's have applied ro Radiation oncology pragrams in last last 5 years, and how many those got matched ? Please never give up your ambitions /dreams, but at the same time do not waste your time, efforts and money which aftter all may not that worthy...just a food for thougth.

Dear friend, I am come accross many persons like you. I am glad that most of them finally ended up making the right decision.

So, please spend some time analyizing your situation and needs. Hope you will surely reach your destination.

Good luck!


mini_med


One of my friend finished internship in 2008. He will be finishing MS surgery in india in 2012 april. If he starts writin the steps, will he get a match? i mean, is he considered old grad? is the MS surgery from india taken as experience? Is it even possible to get surgery residency there/ PLz help with this too


mparvez
Aim USMLE Jobs

The above question was asked at another thread on this forum. Pls check that out.


mini_med


yup.. thanks icon_smile.gif


shrutibajpai
Aim AIIMS

What are the prospects of USMLE after MD [#]
i wanted to gather some information regarding usmle after MD....i have heard that its better to go for usmle after MD rather than after mbbs..


imgimg2015
Aim MCCQE 1

They preferred candidates who have completed their residency in back home.


imgimg2015
Aim MCCQE 1

and you can apply for fellowship too.


drmrunal05
Aim USMLE Step 1

Re: usmle after MD
shrutibajpai wrote:
i wanted to gather some information regarding usmle after MD....i have heard that its better to go for usmle after MD rather than after mbbs..

its not this way.actually after pg generally we have some publications and research work and us people give lot of importance to all these research work.


medicalconcepts
Aim NEET-PG

Re: usmle after MD
shrutibajpai wrote:
i wanted to gather some information regarding usmle after MD....i have heard that its better to go for usmle after MD rather than after mbbs..


why you want to waste1 MD seat in India? You can try US residency after MBBS. What is the use of doing MD in india with public money and then going to US....plz try usmle directly after MBBS .


docrammbbs
Aim USMLE Step 1

they are giving lot of preferences to FRESH candidates..

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