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Author: mparvezPostPosted:     Post subject: How to start preparing for USMLE from India[#]

Hi: I have completed Internal Medicine Residecy training from a University program in the state of Illinois, Board Certified in Internal Medicine in 2007. I have come back to India (Hyderabad) for good and now currently working at a corporate hospital as consultant.

I am offering help/guidance to those who are taking USMLE and applying to residency programs. Sorry, I cannot help anyone getting LOR's, interviews or externship. icon_biggrin.gif

Author: ashishnet007PostPosted:     Post subject:

hello sir, its nice to see that you came back to India to serve the country...!!

i jus have few ques... did you apply immediately after your MBBS or did you complete your PG here in India first...??

moreover, what were your scores in steps.... im asking about 3 digit scores... and what type of USCE did you do... and for how long...??

i knw dats hell lot of ques...icon_sad.gif

im asking you specifically bcoz i wanna do residency in INTERNAL MEDICINE...!!

thanks in advance for your reply.

Author: usmlevideosPostPosted:     Post subject:

you did IM in a university prog...!!! dats amazing...!!

congrats for completion of your residency...!! and its very apt to return to India... hats off..!!

i voted yes for your poll...!! right now im in my final year MBBS...!! and if by Gods grace i get a chance to do residency in US... then i WILL SURELY come back to India. (but after fellowships.... hehe... dats sooo far to think of)

i also have same questions as above...!!

Author: usmlevideosPostPosted:     Post subject:

also i would like to know... what procedures are expected out of a fresh candidate who is about to start his residency in INTERNAL MEDICINE....??

i mean procedure like establishing a central line... intubation... etc etc...!!

i know their is also provision of terminating a candidates residency if he/she is found incompetent...!!

so it will be very helpful if you could tell us what procedures are expected out of fresh candidate about to start his/her residency...!!!

Author: mparvezPostPosted:     Post subject:

I took usmle in year 2001. I guess, knowing my scores may not help others, specially now that getting into residency has become more challenging.

Author: mparvezPostPosted:     Post subject:

I completed MBBS in Hyderabad...took usmle 1&2...cleared csa...all in first atttempt...applied to almost 100 programs...received about 12 interviews...got matched the same year.
No, you are not expected to know all clinical prcedures in the first year itself. Even if you know how do perform them, you either may not get chance as your seniors might prefer getting there hands on, or you might decide ro pass it as you will have a hectric first year (intern year).

Author: mparvezPostPosted:     Post subject:

I completed MBBS in Hyderabad...took usmle 1&2...cleared csa...all in first atttempt...applied to almost 100 programs...received about 12 interviews...got matched the same year.
No, you are not expected to know all clinical prcedures in the first year itself. Even if you know how to perform them, you either may not get chance, as your seniors might prefer getting there hands on, or you might decide to pass it, as you will have a hectric first year (intern year).

Author: usmlevideosPostPosted:     Post subject:

sir, thanks a lot for your replies.

what do you advice for a fresh candidate...?? i mean go for usmle directly after MBBS or go after doing MD here in India (i mean to give steps 1,2 ck & cs while doing MD in India, and then apply for usmle immediately after completion)

Author: mparvezPostPosted:     Post subject:

If you are serious about persuing residency training in US, then why to waste about 3-4 years of valueble time after MD in India? How will getting MD in India affect your chances of getting into a residency training of your choice ? You should be aware that the progrms, all through US, will prefer fresh grads. I hope you got my point.

Plus, do not spend more than a year time in clearing all usmle steps and getting ecfmg certified before the match.

Good luck!

Author: usmlevideosPostPosted:     Post subject:

thanks again sir...!!

i just asked about doing MD here in india itself as a back up...!! what if im not matched...?? i will be investing both time and money...!!

if you are an MD back home, even if by all your efforts you are not matched... then you need not struggle any more..!!

anyways, thats wat im confused abt...!! i also knw about various things about being a fresh graduate is a plus point...!!

may be i should look at things positively and get started with my journey..!!

thanks for your reply sir.

Author: mparvezPostPosted:     Post subject:

It's always good to have a back up plan. But never get any distracrtors, which may deviate you from the main objecrtive, thus crearting more confusion. It's wise to travel in one boat at atime.

Good luck!

Author: akarhythmPostPosted:     Post subject:

hello !
is board certified/board eligible equivalen to MD in india ? is it recognized by MCI n medical councils of other countries

Regards .

Author: usmlevideosPostPosted:     Post subject:

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akarhythm wrote:
hello !
is board certified/board eligible equivalen to MD in india ? is it recognized by MCI n medical councils of other countries

Regards .


YES...!! absolutely...

Author: akarhythm PostPosted:     Post subject:

thanks for reply ..

could u clear the difference between a university program and a community program ? and advantages of one over the other .



regards .

Author: usmlevideos PostPosted:     Post subject:

see my 4th post here:
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Author: akarhythm PostPosted:     Post subject:

@usmlevideos
thanks for the thread link
u mentioned i n oune of ur posts that there are some changes expected in 2012 n 2013 residency match ..
cud u give what happened in 2011 match ?
n about IMG- friendly programs /or a link to it ..


regards .

Author: usmlevideos PostPosted:     Post subject:

see here for 2011 results:
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and for img friendly list of progrrames, it depends on what branch are you applying for...!!

tell me the name of branch, i will tell you the list of IMG friendly progs.

Author: akarhythm PostPosted:     Post subject:

at present i have nt decided which brabch to apply specifically ...
but it will b (as per my interest) either internal medicine, pediatrics
or psychiatry in that order of preference .


regards .

Author: usmlevideos PostPosted:     Post subject:

ita an old list. the parameters might have changed, but these hospitals are IMG friendly for INTErNAL MEDICINE.

their eligibility criterias are given on their websites, the criteria listed here might be "OLD".

Internal medicine Friendly Hospitals Programs list: FMG / IMG Int Med list.

CONNECTICUT
Univ of CT Program 80; Clin exp (US/Others); grad w/in 5yrs; J1

Hospital of St. Raphael 200; US clin exp req’d but not
mandatory; H1B, J1

Norwalk Hospital Program 85; J1, HIB on occasion

St. Vincent’s Medical Center 200; No US clin exp H1B, JI

ILLINOIS

Univ of IL Coll of Med at Chicago Program/ Michael Reese Hospital
Program 85; US clin exp not necessary but preferred; grad w/in
last 4 yrs; J1

Univ of IL Coll of Medicine at Chicago Recent grads; US clin exp
preferred but not req’d; J1

Cook County Hospital Program 84; US clin exp not necessary;
H1B, J1

Univ of IL Coll of Med Chicago Program 75; No US clin exp req’d;
J1

Loyola Univ Program Passing scores; NO US clin exp req’d; H1B, J1

Ressurection Medical Center/ Westlake Program
80; grad w/in last 5 yrs; US clin exp not mandatory; JI

Rush-Presbyterian - St. Luke’s Medical Center Program 85; recent
clin exp (US or out of the country); J1

MASSACHUSETTS

Boston Univ Medical Center Program No min scores; J1

Mount Auburn Hospital Program
No score req’t; US clin exp not necessary but helpful; J1

Newton- Wellesley Hospital Program 80; 3 yrs from grad; No US
clin exp; J1

St. Elizabeth’s Medical Center of Boston Program 80; J1

St. Vincent’s Hospital Program
No Min scores; US clin exp preferred; JI, H1B (?)

MARYLAND

Franklin Square Hospital Center Program
does not sponsor visa

Good Samaritan Hospital of Maryland Program
No score req’t; No US clin exp; J1

Harbor Hospital Center Program
85; No US clin exp; H1B, J1

Johns Hopkins Univ Bayview Medical Center
No min scores; No US clin exp; J1

Baystate Medical Center Program
No specific min criteria; J1

MICHIGAN

Henry Ford Hospital Program
140-25-11-189
No min scores; No US clin exp; 3-4 yrs from grad; J1

Wayne State Univ / Detroit Medical Center
320-25-21-110
11/30
No set criteria; with FMGs; J1

Spectrum Health - Downtown Campus / MI State Univ Program
320-25-21-116
01/15/01
85 ; grad w/in 5 yrs

St. John Hospital and Medical Center Program
320-25-11-113
01/31/01
165 Steps 1 + 2; J1, H1B (rare)

Univ of Michigan Program
140-25-21-187
12/01
No min scores; US LoRs;


Wayne State Univ / Detroit Medical Center
140-25-21-194
12/10
review by pts: scores, ECFMG cert, US exp / LoRs, research
activities, likelihood of staying in Detroit, Med school rank,
Med school quality; J1

William Beaumont Hospital Program
140-25-12-201
12/15
85; No US clin exp; J1

NEW YORK

Albert Einstein Coll of Med at Beth Israel Med Ctr Program
140-35-11-261
12/01
80; US clin exp not req’d but helpful; J1, H1B

Mt Sinai School of Medicine (Cabrini) Program
140-35-31-266
12/15
No score req’t; J1

Catholic Medical Center of Brooklyn and Queens Program
140-35-22-267
01/10/01
80; US clin exp not req’d; GC holders only

Coney Island Hospital Program
140-35-11-269
02/01/01
84 (step 2); J1, H1B

Maimonides Medical Center Program
320-35-21-157
12/29
80; No US clin exp; H1B, J1

SUNY Health Science Center at Syracuse Program
140-35-21-316
12/01
82; US clin exp preferred but not req’d; J1

Mt Sinai School of Medicine (Elmhurst) Program
140-35-11-268
01/01/01
does not sponsor visas

Flushing Hospital Medical Center Program
140-35-11-272
12/15
80; does not sponsor visas

Harlem Hospital Center Program
140-35-11-273
12/31

Brookdale Univ Hospital Med Ctr Program
320-35-11-147
11/30
No score req’ts; No US clin exp; H1B, J1

Brooklyn Hospital Ctr Program
140-35-12-265
12/31
80; GC holders only

Jamaica Hospital Program
140-35-12-275
03/31
80 (1st take); GC holders only

SUNY at Buffalo GM-Dental Educ Consortium Program
800-35-44-049
Mid Dec
85; 3yrs from grad; No US clin exp; H1B, J1

New York Presbyterian Hospital (Columbia Campus)
140-35-11-297
01/10/01
80; No US clin exp; H1B, J1

SUNY at Stony Brook Program
140-35-21-315
01/14/01
No min scores; No US clin exp; J1

SUNY at Stony Brook Program
320-35-21-365
12/01
No min scores; No US clin exp; J1

Winthrop- Univ Hospital Program
140-35-11-256
Before end of Dec
80; No US clin exp; J1

Woodhull Medical and Mental Health Center Program
140-35-21-487
11/30
80; No US clin exp; J1

St. Luke’s - Roosevelt Hospital Center Program
140-35-21-301
12/15
80; Clin exp w/in 2 yrs; J1, H1B

St Luke’s Roosevelt Hospital Center Program
320-35-11-168
12/15
does not sponsor visas

St. Vincent’s Hospital and Medical Center of NY
800-35-44-082
02/05
No score req’t; H1B, J1

Staten Island Univ Hospital Program
140-35-11-304
12/31
No score req’t; No US clin exp; J1, H1B

New York Medical Coll at St. Vincent’s Hospital and Med Ctr of NY
Program
140-35-11-302
02/05/01
No score req’t; H1B, J1

New York Medical College (Richmond) Program
140-35-11-303
01/31
82; GC holders only

New York Medical Coll (Sound Shore) Program
140-35-11-258
12/31
80; No US Clin exp; J1, H1B

New York Medical Coll at Westchester Medical Center Program
140-35-11-317
12/10
85; w/in 5 yrs from grad; No US clin exp; J1, H1B

New York Medical College at Westchester Med Ctr Program
320-35-11--176
02/28/01
accepts excellent IMGs

New York Presbyterian Hospital (Columbia Campus)
320-35-11-167
12/01
80; No US clin exp; J1

Mt Sinai School of Medicine Program
140-35-31-288
12/01
85; does not sponsor visas

Mt Vernon Hospital Program
140-35-31-288
No deadline

does not part. in ERAS
80; No US clin exp; J1

Lutheran Medical Center Program
140-35-11-282
Mid Jan
82; No US clin exp; H1B, J1

New York Presbyterian Hospital (Cornell Campus)
140-35-21-270
12/31
No Min scores; No US clin exp; J1

New York Medical Coll (Metropolitan) Program
140-35-31-290
12/31
80; grad w/in 6 yrs; US clin exp not req’d but preferred; J1

Long Island Coll Hosp Program
140-35-11-280
12/01
82; No US clin exp; J1, H1B

Albert Einstein Coll of Medicine at Long Island Jewish Medical
Ctr Prog
320-35-21-155
12/01
85; No US clin exp; J1

NYU Downtown Hospital Program
140-35-31-289
01/15/01
80; grad w/in 5 yrs; H1B, J1

SUNY at Stony Brook (East Meadow) Program
140-35-21-254
12/15
80; No post match; J1

New York Hospital Medical Ctr of Queens / Cornell Univ Medical
Coll Program
140-35-11-262
12/15
80; US clin exp; H1B, J1

New York Methodist Hospital (Wyckoff Heights)
140-35-21-520
end of Fall
82; J1, H1B

Kingsbrook Jewish Medical Ctr Program
140-35-11-277
01/01/01
80; No US clin exp


Some requirements from some IMG friendly hospitals:

1)Bronx-Lebanon NYC= 80 and above on both steps
2)Lincoln Medical Center NYC= 80 and above on both steps.
3)Mount Sinai school of Medicine (bronx) 80 above on both steps
4)Interfaith Medical Center program NYC = 82 and above on both steps
5)Kingsbrook Jewish Medical Center =80 average
6Lutheran Medical Center NYC = 82 and above on both steps
7)Maimonides Medical Center NYC = No minimum score
New York Methodist Hospital (Wyckoff Heights )Program NYC = 82 and above on both steps only considering U.S. citizens
9)New York Flushing Hospital NYC= 80 and above on both steps
10)North Shore University Hospital = 85 and above on both steps
11)Lenox-hill Hospital program = 80 and above on both steps
12)New York Hospital/Cornell medical Center = No minimum scores
13)New York Medical college = 80 above on both steps
St. Luke's Roosevelt Hospital Center = 84 and above on both steps.

14)UMDNJ-Robert Johnson Medical School (CADMEN)= 85 and above on both steps.
15)Morristown Memorial Hospital NJ = 75 and above on both steps an 1 month U.S. clinical experience

1)St Agnes, Baltimore Maryland ===78 and above on both Steps
2)Good Samaritan, Baltimore Maryland ==No score Requirements
3)Flanklyn Square, Baltimore Maryland ==No minimum score requirements
4)Clevland Clinic Foundation, Ft.Lauderdale Florida ==80 and above on both Steps, 3 months U.S. clinical experience required.
5)Mount Sinai, Miami Beach ==80 and above on both steps

These as the above posted are for Internal Medicine.

1)University of South Florida Program ==85 and above + 1 year U.S. clinical experience

2)Georgia Baptist Medical Center == 82 and above on both Steps

3)Union Memorial Hospital Program, Maryland ==*0 above on both steps, soem U.S. clinical experience.

4)Albert Einstein Medical Center --Pennsylvania ==80 and above, first attempt

5)Pennsylvania Hospital Program == 80 and abov, clinical expereince in U.S. or

Author: akarhythm PostPosted:     Post subject:

thanks a lot ..

Author: usmlevideos PostPosted:     Post subject:

you are welcome...icon_smile.gif

Author: akarhythm PostPosted:     Post subject:

i saw the match data ....this seems like a huge no. of apllicants ...!seems like much tough race ..

do ppl (IMG)actually get good positions ...?!

regards

Author: DAM912 PostPosted:     Post subject:

Hello Sir,

I am interested only in Anesthesia

I know it is very difficult to get it in the US, I hope to start residency in Anesthesia in India next year and plan on applying for USMLE after that

One qtn, Do DNB candidates get the benefit of specialization (from India) or is it just limited to MD guys??

Author: usmlevideos PostPosted:     Post subject:

yeah... there are around 3000 applicants for EACH position. its a tough race, no doubt about that.

its difficult... and yes IMG get good positions if they have GOOD overall profile...!! see my other posts in USA forum for what is means to be a GOOD PROFILE.

Author: usmlevideos PostPosted:     Post subject:

DNB and MD both are counted as your experience in your branch. both are valued equally by community progrrames.

university progrrames prefer fresh graduates, mostly less than 3 years from graduation. (but not a rule though)

getting anaesthesiology is difficult indeed. but not impossible...!!

Author: DAM912 PostPosted:     Post subject:

usmlevideos wrote:
DNB and MD both are counted as your experience in your branch. both are valued equally by community progrrames.

university progrrames prefer fresh graduates, mostly less than 3 years from graduation. (but not a rule though)

getting anaesthesiology is difficult indeed. but not impossible...!!


Thanks for the reply, coz I know people getting into anesthesia after MD from India, but no idea about DNB...

Anyhow...thanks a lot...

Author: usmlevideos PostPosted:     Post subject:

you are welcome icon_smile.gif

in fact AMERICAN BOARD OF RADIOLOGY specifically mentions about DNB also, apart from MD, as the eligibility criteria to sit for its BOARD exams.

mind you only radiology is one such branch, which is recognized for BOARD exam directly after USMLE. (you must be either MD or DNB radiology in INDIA)

Author: akarhythm PostPosted:     Post subject:

i have read ur post about good profile...they were quite informative .

thanks for the list of programs too ..
about the match ?? if u apply on 1 sept 2013 u are part of 2014 match ? is that so ..? n in which month match is conducted



Regards ..

Author: DAM912 PostPosted:     Post subject:

usmlevideos wrote:
you are welcome icon_smile.gif

in fact AMERICAN BOARD OF RADIOLOGY specifically mentions about DNB also, apart from MD, as the eligibility criteria to sit for its BOARD exams.

mind you only radiology is one such branch, which is recognized for BOARD exam directly after USMLE. (you must be either MD or DNB radiology in INDIA)


WOW...I did NOT know that...

You are quite well informed....kudos!!

Author: usmlevideos PostPosted:     Post subject:

akarhythm wrote:
i have read ur post about good profile...they were quite informative .

thanks for the list of programs too ..
about the match ?? if u apply on 1 sept 2013 u are part of 2014 match ? is that so ..? n in which month match is conducted



Regards ..


thanks...

you apply in sept-nov for interviews...!!

suppose you get 5 interviews, then at the end of intrview season, you "rank" the programes acording to your estimation as to which programe (who interviewd you) liked you. similarly the programmes also give their "rank list" to NRMP.

accordingly, NRMP matches the best available programe for you. (if the programe has also "ranked" you).

your residency begin in 2014, if you apply for interview in 2013 sept.

Author: akarhythm PostPosted:     Post subject:

ok .. so u apply in sept thru nov ..
when is the interview season ..

n residency begins in 2014 but in which month specifically ? or it depends on the program ?


regards

Author: usmlevideos PostPosted:     Post subject:

sept-oct-nov-dec is the interview season...!!

progrrames generally start in march next year...

Author: akarhythm PostPosted:     Post subject:

thanks a lot @usmlevideos .

regards .

Author: usmlevideos PostPosted:     Post subject:

u r welcome icon_smile.gif

Author: DAM912 PostPosted:     Post subject:

Hi...

I heard pre-matching is going to stop from next year....
How true is that?

Author: usmlevideos PostPosted:     Post subject:

its true...!! instead there will be something called as "SOAP" through which all the unfilled residency positions will be filled... al this will be through NRMP.

earlier pre matches were given as an agreement bet programe and the applicant (with no NRMP in between), so to bring more transeparency to the system, SOAP will be implemented. 2011 was the last year for pre matches.

Author: kalyan98omc PostPosted:     Post subject:

i have completed my M.Ch neurosurgery from a very much reputed college in hyderabad. I am very much interested in minimally invasive neurosurgery programs. How should i proceed and what are the chances.

Author: dr_floyed PostPosted:     Post subject:

Was wondering is there any chance for fellowship after doing MD/MS here in India ??

Author: DAM912 PostPosted:     Post subject:

usmlevideos wrote:
its true...!! instead there will be something called as "SOAP" through which all the unfilled residency positions will be filled... al this will be through NRMP.

earlier pre matches were given as an agreement bet programe and the applicant (with no NRMP in between), so to bring more transeparency to the system, SOAP will be implemented. 2011 was the last year for pre matches.


So is that a good thing?? or..??

Author: usmlevideos PostPosted:     Post subject:

dr_floyed wrote:
Was wondering is there any chance for fellowship after doing MD/MS here in India ??


yes its possible:

1) give usmle (all steps)
2) apply to unfilled residency spots

slowly slowly its getting tougher to do fellowships directly.

Author: usmlevideos PostPosted:     Post subject:

DAM912 wrote:
usmlevideos wrote:
its true...!! instead there will be something called as "SOAP" through which all the unfilled residency positions will be filled... al this will be through NRMP.

earlier pre matches were given as an agreement bet programe and the applicant (with no NRMP in between), so to bring more transeparency to the system, SOAP will be implemented. 2011 was the last year for pre matches.


So is that a good thing?? or..??


it will provide an open ground for all the unmatched applicants...!! it will increase competetion, but it will be a fair deal...!!

Author: DAM912 PostPosted:     Post subject:

usmlevideos wrote:
DAM912 wrote:
usmlevideos wrote:
its true...!! instead there will be something called as "SOAP" through which all the unfilled residency positions will be filled... al this will be through NRMP.

earlier pre matches were given as an agreement bet programe and the applicant (with no NRMP in between), so to bring more transeparency to the system, SOAP will be implemented. 2011 was the last year for pre matches.


So is that a good thing?? or..??


it will provide an open ground for all the unmatched applicants...!! it will increase competetion, but it will be a fair deal...!!


but the degree holders will have a fair advantage...right?

Author: jis4you PostPosted:     Post subject:

sir....good to hear u returned..

im also a person who want to do residency in us.. becoz its the best place to learn pure medicine..i think...
but i cant take chances..by wasting so much money..so im thinkin of a backup plan...

nw i ve completed ma internship in india..n planing to give entrnce exams in the coming year...

n before getting into a pg prog..do the step 1 n 2 ck..

hw ill ma chances there after pg here n with the scores that ve obtained 3 yrs b4..? heard tat d scores r valid for 7 yrs..????.. n plz provide ur expert opinion on this idea..??? thanks in advance..sir..
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Author: akarhythm PostPosted:     Post subject:

so this SOAP thing is it better to get residencies or not ??
what about its effect on admission of IMGs????



regards.

Author: akarhythm PostPosted:     Post subject:

is applying for Fellowship necessary after doing residency in USA ??

n what is fees of residency in USA ?not application but actual residency training


Regards.

Author: mparvez PostPosted:     Post subject:

No, it is not "necessary" to go for fellowship after residency.

Actually, the residency program will pay you "stipend" during residency training, about 40-50 thousand dollars per year. In other words, you don't have to pay a penny.

Good luck.

Author: diya_26 PostPosted:     Post subject:

hi,
can anyone tell me how many copies of letter of recommendation needed to get from a single person for USMLE,or only one LOR'S to be signed from a single person is enough......as its different for GRE.thanks in advance...

Author: mparvez PostPosted:     Post subject:

Soon after completing residency trainin, you will be "elligible" for board certification. A person will hvae upto 5 years to take and pass board exam (the sooner the better for the sake 'malpractrice insurance'. Once you have cleared boards, you get "board certification".

Comming to your question, "board certified" physician is considered equilant to a MD in India. But "board eligible" candidates are not. Hope you got the anwsers.

Good luck!

Author: mparvez PostPosted:     Post subject:

March 2014.

Good luck!

Author: mparvez PostPosted:     Post subject:

NRMP "match" takes place in 2nd or 3rd week of March. The residency usually start in last week of june or early july.

Good luck!



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