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nehabedi87
Aim NEET PG

hello sir, i have heard from my seniors that even after clearing all the steps with a good percentile you will face difficulty in getting a residency , if you do not have a research background and have not produced journal atleast on a national level.... how far along is that true and how much would it affect in getting a residency program?



thanks..

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nehabedi87 wrote:
hello sir, i have heard from my seniors that even after clearing all the steps with a good percentile you will face difficulty in getting a residency , if you do not have a research background and have not produced journal atleast on a national level.... how far along is that true and how much would it affect in getting a residency program?

thanks..


Dr. Neha, you bring you a very important and interesting question. For a while including myself we thought that research plays an important role in securing residency got an IMG however, the influence of research and publication is not as much as you may have thought. Read about the how much does research count for international medical graduate
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here. Although it is excellent to have a peer reviewed publication cited in medline plus
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or pubmed.com there is a decreasing return on investment in research. You should focus a majority of your energy to getting excellent scores and obtaining US clinical experience.


usmlevideos


nehabedi87 wrote:
hello sir, i have heard from my seniors that even after clearing all the steps with a good percentile you will face difficulty in getting a residency , if you do not have a research background and have not produced journal atleast on a national level.... how far along is that true and how much would it affect in getting a residency program?



thanks..


ive mentioned it sooo many times that research has "NO STATISTICAL" importance in matching... and this is clearly written in NRMP match data 2009, 2010 and 2011.

it will help you surely.... not as much as good scores and USCE and gr8 LORs...!!

instead i would advice you to spend time and money in USCE. (clerkships, observerships and externshisp)


mleresidencytips


usmlevideos wrote:
nehabedi87 wrote:
hello sir, i have heard from my seniors that even after clearing all the steps with a good percentile you will face difficulty in getting a residency , if you do not have a research background and have not produced journal atleast on a national level.... how far along is that true and how much would it affect in getting a residency program?



thanks..


ive mentioned it sooo many times that research has "NO STATISTICAL" importance in matching... and this is clearly written in NRMP match data 2009, 2010 and 2011.

it will help you surely.... not as much as good scores and USCE and gr8 LORs...!!

instead i would advice you to spend time and money in USCE. (clerkships, observerships and externshisp)


Agree with USMLEvideos. Do not place emphasis on research. It has some to little relevance in match success. Work on getting excellent scores and getting US clinical experience.


chelsi
Aim USMLE Step 1

sir,i hv read ur posts abt usmle..i finished my internship in dec 2010..prepared 1 yr fr indian PG without doing any job..interested in gyne..but getting only DGO in delhi(thru state pg) or DNB gyne..always wanted to go to US..nw i hv 2 options,plz suggest me whch to follow..

1.take a DGO seat and then gv steps to get residency. it will help me financially also as stipend is good in delhi. i may try to go fr clerkship after 2 yrs(after completing my DGO) ,before match.

2.i take DNB and try directly for fellowship in US after completing my degree. but the problem here is that stipend will be low for 3 yrs and also ppl are scaring me out abt the low pass % in DNB.

plz advice whch would be better.
will it be very difficult coz i passed in dec 2010 and then 1 yr gap. is getting gyne residency next to impossible for me?


mleresidencytips


chelsi wrote:
sir,i hv read ur posts abt usmle..i finished my internship in dec 2010..prepared 1 yr fr indian PG without doing any job..interested in gyne..but getting only DGO in delhi(thru state pg) or DNB gyne..always wanted to go to US..nw i hv 2 options,plz suggest me whch to follow..

1.take a DGO seat and then gv steps to get residency. it will help me financially also as stipend is good in delhi. i may try to go fr clerkship after 2 yrs(after completing my DGO) ,before match.

2.i take DNB and try directly for fellowship in US after completing my degree. but the problem here is that stipend will be low for 3 yrs and also ppl are scaring me out abt the low pass % in DNB.

plz advice whch would be better.
will it be very difficult coz i passed in dec 2010 and then 1 yr gap. is getting gyne residency next to impossible for me?

The answer to your query has been replied to in the other post.


chelsi
Aim USMLE Step 1

@mleresidencytips..thanx sir for ur prompt reply..ur advice has been very helpful in deciding my future plans..will keep u informed what i finally decided.


mleresidencytips


chelsi wrote:
@mleresidencytips..thanx sir for ur prompt reply..ur advice has been very helpful in deciding my future plans..will keep u informed what i finally decided.
all the best! Things will work out well.


chelsi
Aim USMLE Step 1

mleresidencytips wrote:
chelsi wrote:
@mleresidencytips..thanx sir for ur prompt reply..ur advice has been very helpful in deciding my future plans..will keep u informed what i finally decided.
all the best! Things will work out well.
thank u sir icon_smile.gif


drahmedimg
Aim USMLE Step 2 CK

Hey guys,
Thanks for the helpful comments. I've recently decided to begin studying for USMLEs after not matching in Canada. I've heard that to have a good chance, one should be done with step 1, 2CK, and CS by september of the year before the match so s/he can apply early and be considered first. I just started studying for Step 1 and hope to sit for it in August (5-6 months prep). Can I apply after that in October-November my Step 2 CK and CS pending? Or should I consider applying for the 2014 match when I'm done all the steps and hv ECFMG certificate?


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drahmedimg wrote:
Hey guys,
Thanks for the helpful comments. I've recently decided to begin studying for USMLEs after not matching in Canada. I've heard that to have a good chance, one should be done with step 1, 2CK, and CS by september of the year before the match so s/he can apply early and be considered first. I just started studying for Step 1 and hope to sit for it in August (5-6 months prep). Can I apply after that in October-November my Step 2 CK and CS pending? Or should I consider applying for the 2014 match when I'm done all the steps and hv ECFMG certificate?

to have the best chance to receive interview invitations from programs you should have your basic application complete. if you apply in october-november even with a complete profile, the chance for interview goes down considerably. The reason being that programs start downloading thousands of applications after the deadline and if you apply late you will be that much lower on list of applicants. you heard correctly, that to have a good chance you need to be done with 1,2cs and ck and have results ready by september. if you want to take that chance you can certainly go ahead and still apply realizing that you will be working with a handicap. of course if you dont get any response from programs or do not match then you can always try in 2014.


mparvez
Aim USMLE Jobs

Hey: Research and publicaions may not be the important criteria for residency match process. But it will have improve the chances to build strong CV, and surely it is the most important criteria when applying for fellowship of choice, after completing residency training.

Good luck!


drheera
Aim Ireland

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you should read the article how important is research for international medical graduate for residency match
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. it will give you an idea about the relative importance of each factor.


drahmedimg
Aim USMLE Step 2 CK

Thanks for the reply mleresidencytips.

Another quick question. Does Canadian clinical experience and LORs hold the same weight as US clinical experience and LORs?


mleresidencytips


drahmedimg wrote:
Thanks for the reply mleresidencytips.

Another quick question. Does Canadian clinical experience and LORs hold the same weight as US clinical experience and LORs?
no it does not hold as much weight. BUt if you are clinically active in canada, UK or India yo may stand a better chance by the virtue of you being currently practicing and not out of touch with medicine.


mparvez
Aim USMLE Jobs

I did go through your webpage, discussing about importance of research work for Img's for residency match process. Disappointed to note there are no references given to substantiate.

What I have mentioned in my previous post, is based on 8 years of experience at a university program, in Illinois.

Good luck!


mleresidencytips


mparvez wrote:
I did go through your webpage, discussing about importance of research work for Img's for residency match process. Disappointed to note there are no references given to substantiate.

What I have mentioned in my previous post, is based on 8 years of experience at a university program, in Illinois.

Good luck!

Thanks for going through the webpage. I am not sure if you realized that I am agreeing with what you have said. The data is compiled from Results of the 2010 NRMP Program Director Survey, a publication release by NRMP. Thanks to your input I have amended the article to include the reference. I dont doubt your experience, in fact my 10 years of both research and clinical experience in university setting tends to agree with your observation.


mparvez
Aim USMLE Jobs

Thanks for clearing the air. Please continue with the good job, helping our fellow students.


mleresidencytips


mparvez wrote:
Thanks for clearing the air. Please continue with the good job, helping our fellow students.
sure thing. you are welcome.


gaurab
Aim NEET-SS

To MPARVEZ,MLERESIDENCYTIPS Hello sir,many many thanks to clear all our confusions by posting your valuable suggestions.I have read all.I have completed my intership in 2011 after passing final mbbs in 2010 in India.I have sit for pg entrance last year but my rank is in the terminal position by which i can't get clinicals.I'm interested in surgery and i have medal and honours in ENT.I'm looking very much forward to practice in US as surgeon through passing STEPS and doing residency in surgery.MY QUESTIONS ARE- 1. can i have a chance to get good scores in STEPS studying subjectwise mcq books for pgIndia thoroughly as there are 19 subjects to read for this PGentrances[as by this my preparations will be done for both the exams]?? 2 .do i must read some unique books[like kaplans]forUSMLE? 3.can i crack both the exams with same preparation?or do i have to give some extra time for USMLE preparation?[i was thinking about back up plan] 4.If the ans of my second qstn is yes,then what r the books/notes/mcqs exactly should i read and how/where can i found them?[pls give me valid source or links] Can i find them in any shops?? 5.Is this the ideal time for me to start preparing for USMLE?


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gaurab wrote:
To MPARVEZ,MLERESIDENCYTIPS Hello sir,many many thanks to clear all our confusions by posting your valuable suggestions.I have read all.I have completed my intership in 2011 after passing final mbbs in 2010 in India.I have sit for pg entrance last year but my rank is in the terminal position by which i can't get clinicals.I'm interested in surgery and i have medal and honours in ENT.I'm looking very much forward to practice in US as surgeon through passing STEPS and doing residency in surgery.MY QUESTIONS ARE- 1. can i have a chance to get good scores in STEPS studying subjectwise mcq books for pgIndia thoroughly as there are 19 subjects to read for this PGentrances[as by this my preparations will be done for both the exams]?? 2 .do i must read some unique books[like kaplans]forUSMLE? 3.can i crack both the exams with same preparation?or do i have to give some extra time for USMLE preparation?[i was thinking about back up plan] 4.If the ans of my second qstn is yes,then what r the books/notes/mcqs exactly should i read and how/where can i found them?[pls give me valid source or links] Can i find them in any shops?? 5.Is this the ideal time for me to start preparing for USMLE?


1. the fund of knowledge is the same no matter what exam you appear for, the basis of pathology and disease states are also unchanging. Thus if your fundamentals are rock solid in medical subjects, there is no reason why preparing for one exam will not help you in another

2. It is good however to read at least a few exam specific books. I am not sure about the PG entrances in India but at least for USMLE there was some weight to mental health, pathology, biochem, ethics in addition to the usual topics.

3. preparation material for USMLE there are many available. National medical series (NMS), board review series (BRS) and Kaplan. There are multiple resources online - google for links, videos on youtube etc. you can even buy used notes from ebay.

4. If you are keen on considering residency in the US as a strong option then yes this is the ideal time. the sooner you prepare and get done with all the steps, the earlier you can apply. competition is getting worse every year and applying sooner rather than later will help your case.


gaurab
Aim NEET-SS

Thank you for your suggestions.


mleresidencytips


gaurab wrote:
Thank you for your suggestions.
you are welcome. feel free to ask other queries here or on fb or site


Sutanaya


i was wondering about how much time you took to complete the whole process of applications right from passing out to getting your residency. also, did you work in india during this time? is the work experience here counted? what is the scope for surgical subjects or subjects other than internal medicine for international medical graduates?


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Sutanaya wrote:
i was wondering about how much time you took to complete the whole process of applications right from passing out to getting your residency. also, did you work in india during this time? is the work experience here counted? what is the scope for surgical subjects or subjects other than internal medicine for international medical graduates?

in order to be ECFMG certified for the application, I suggest at least a year prior to match (you will need that much time to finish step 1, step 2 CS and step 2CK). you can try and give the exams couple weeks apart but then would you rather prepare well for each exam and get a good score or cram the timeline and end up with a poor score? I did not work in India prior to my application. As for your question, clinical work you do in India will be counted towards clinical experience. Scope for surgical options is poorer compared to medical subjects but if you are focused on surgery then general surgery and ob-gyn are your best options. Other surgical branches are almost impossible for foreign graduate.
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shalwin
Aim PLAB Part 1

hello sir i have done my PG in India and its been 5 years since i passed from Medical school.I am planning to write my USMLE steps.How are my chances of getting into a residency program in the US ?


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shalwin wrote:
hello sir i have done my PG in India and its been 5 years since i passed from Medical school.I am planning to write my USMLE steps.How are my chances of getting into a residency program in the US ?

5 years out of medical school makes you slightly old grad but that in itself is not an issue. what have you been doing in the past 5 years will be a big factor. if you have been clinically active, that will count as your experience. Also your scores in step 1, 2cs and ck will be exceptionally important in deciding your chances.


aayush100
Aim PLAB Part 1

plzz give us an overview as how to go about preparing for USMLE from scratch !!!

what is the scope of one getting into Surgery in US ??


shalwin
Aim PLAB Part 1

thank u sir...i have been clinically active in the last 5 years.
and what books are required for step 1?


mleresidencytips


shalwin wrote:
thank u sir...i have been clinically active in the last 5 years.
and what books are required for step 1?

As indicated in the other thread
1. First Aid for USMLE (must)
2. Goljan pathology notes (must)
3. Kaplan notes (required)
4. Board review series (optional) except BRS patho (must)
5. National medical series (optional) except NMS behavioral science (must)
6. others like high yield notes etc.


mparvez
Aim USMLE Jobs

Hi:j. Sorry for replying so late. Clinical knowledge is a must for any entrance test. But the strategy to take each one differ. The key to score high on USMLE test is to practice more mcq's. I took usmle steps in the year 2003, and was able to get good scores, and a place in university program. No way am trying to brag my achievemets, but trying to encourage every aspirant to focus on using good exam taking stategy.

It is tough but definitely possible for img's to get into "gen-surg" residency. My best friend has completed surg residency training from Indiana University and presently into CT-sur+Vascular surg fellowship. He was so determined that he wasted 2 yrs after ecfmg certification, just to get in surg residency.

Good luck!


mn13
Aim DNB Part 2

sir,i am pursuing dnb radio from india..wud be passing in 2014..i want to pursue my further studies in us either fellowship or residency..can i get a fellowship in radio directly or do i need to give usmle??
how do i begin prep for usmle?


abei
Aim USMLE Step 1

hi all, thanks to d mle veterans who r guiding us thru...
i finished my md Psych recently
here r my queries
1. i want to do residency in int med.. how difficult is it to get in with my md Psych background, also i guess i'll b "an old grad" when i apply
2. how good is externship, how much is d fees required, is observership enough
3. r 3 LORs needed, if v do externship is d LOR from that physcian enough or do v need additional ones from back home
Thanx a lot, would b a great help if somebody sorts this out..


abhi_rathi
Aim USMLE Step 1

hi mleresidencytips....i hav been goin through ur replies and seems u doin a good job and ur information also seems authentic...i myself has a query..i did my M.S(ENT) dis yr..jst wanted to know what all options wil i hav aftr clearing MLE steps..can i gt a fellowship in ENT directly bcoz getting residency in ENT is nxt to impossible or wil i hav to do residency again in some othr program may b Int Med....wont dey mind taking a ent postgraduate into some othr program...i mean wont it appear contradictory and create a negative impression...pls guide me urgnt..thanking u..


nikstriker
Aim DNB Part 1

i hav completd my intnship 2 years back...preparing fr entrance i dint gt my branch...planning to go to us thru mph...is this a effective way...does mph helps in this process plz help


mleresidencytips


mn13 wrote:
sir,i am pursuing dnb radio from india..wud be passing in 2014..i want to pursue my further studies in us either fellowship or residency..can i get a fellowship in radio directly or do i need to give usmle??
how do i begin prep for usmle?
you can do a fellowship in radiology directly but you have to pass with all steps and be ECFMG certified to be eligible. Direct fellowships are very competitive and you need to get excellent scores.


mleresidencytips


nikstriker wrote:
i hav completd my intnship 2 years back...preparing fr entrance i dint gt my branch...planning to go to us thru mph...is this a effective way...does mph helps in this process plz help
MPH is one way to get to US to begin the networking required to get residency. please check out this article which discussed the topic in depth.
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drsunil759
Aim USMLE Jobs

WHAT THE ESTIMATE TIME OF EACH RESULT TO COME OUT


princeoflove2002


USMLE world is very important.


Agyat
Aim AIIMS

Sir, I completed My MBBS in 1996. Because of very odd circumstances, i had been stagnant since then, although working throughout. I want to enter IM residency program in the US. Do I've any chance if I get descent scores in the steps. Thanks in advance.


piyu26
Aim USMLE Step 1

when r u suppose to pay the ecfmg certification fee of 50$


amit86
Aim AIPGE 2013

piyu26 wrote:
when r u suppose to pay the ecfmg certification fee of 50$


u will have to do before u want to fix a date for step 1.
first ecfmg certification payment
then step 1 fees payment
only after that form 186 appears , which is needed for the application.


psychmania
Aim Indian PG Exams

abei wrote:
hi all, thanks to d mle veterans who r guiding us thru...
i finished my md Psych recently
here r my queries
1. i want to do residency in int med.. how difficult is it to get in with my md Psych background, also i guess i'll b "an old grad" when i apply
2. how good is externship, how much is d fees required, is observership enough
3. r 3 LORs needed, if v do externship is d LOR from that physcian enough or do v need additional ones from back home
Thanx a lot, would b a great help if somebody sorts this out..


Hello sir, may i ask why you want to shift your field from psych to internal medicine?Is the psych situation that bad in india?


anitakirtiman
Aim MRCOG Part 1

by doin basic books then previous papers


piyu26
Aim USMLE Step 1

I had nt paid tht fees . Still form 186 appeared n I sent it to ecfmg. Is tht k?


SargonH


Yes, I agree the questions are excellent and a bit expensive.


sleepwalker


tyhnk


sleepwalker


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