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guardian · Credits: 3831 My Scrapbook

all those fp08 docs who got a fp with work perimt should think what they ll b doing after 2 years
good thing is that all of you have a uk training base of fy1 & 2 so chances are good for further st posts
but problem is that if you dont have a visa you wont get a st post and even for a 6 months post u ll need a work permit and when u r applying for a job u stand
uk graduate
ilr docs
hsmp docs
work permit docs-right here
so dont sit once u r in system
unfortunately hsmp is no more to support docs
think before hand and make some solution
its good at the moment but dont get into trouble at the last moment so have some settlement before any problem arises
work permit will never support u long so u should have a way out for some other type of visa
its not for any one special its for every one and kindly any one who reads it dont get annoyed its not an individually based its for every one who has work permit at the moment

any comments for the solution are warmly welcome

wakel2000 · Credits: 1545 My Scrapbook

Doctors from India, South Africa and other Commonwealth countries are to be barred from the NHS in an attempt to preserve health service jobs for British graduates.

For generations the health service has been sustained by immigration but yesterday the Home Office moved to end a crisis that has prevented thousands of highly trained British doctors from advancing their careers. Last year the system for selecting doctors for higher training collapsed in what was described as the greatest disaster for medical training in a generation.

The change will end a long tradition of importing doctors to the NHS. Among the 277,000 now registered with the General Medical Council, almost half got their first medical qualifications abroad — the majority from India, Pakistan, South Africa and Australia . Without them the NHS could not have run a service since the 1960s.

Since 1997, however, the number of medical school places in Britain has almost doubled. There are now enough home-grown graduates to fill training posts, reducing or eliminating the need to import doctors.

Last year many UK-trained doctors were denied initial posts, or won only short-term positions, as 10,000 overseas doctors joined the queue for 20,000 posts. The chairman of the British Medical Association had to resign after writing to The Times to defend the system of applying for training posts, in the face of widespread fury.

The Home Office announced yesterday that, from next month, doctors living outside the European Union will not be eligible to apply for posts through the Highly Skilled Migrants Programme — hitherto an open door to migrants with the right qualifications.

From April 1, the door will also be closed to migrants from India who are applying under a new points system. So-called Tier 1 migrants — those with the highest qualifications — will be barred from applying for higher medical training posts. Non-EU doctors already in Britain as Highly Skilled Migrants, or those seeking leave to remain as Tier 1 migrants, will still be free to apply.

The new rules are expected to cut the pool of potential applicants by between 3,000 and 5,000 by 2009. But the Government has admitted that this will still not be enough to ensure that all British graduates who are good enough will get posts. Between 700 and 1,100 young doctors will be denied jobs in 2009 and beyond.

So the Department of Health yesterday announced that it would consult over proposals to impose additional limits on foreign applications.

Its preferred option is to tell NHS trusts that international medical graduates should be eligible for posts only if there are no suitable applicants from Britain or the EU. That would exclude almost all of them.

An earlier attempt to implement such guidance was challenged in the courts by the British Association of Physicians of Indian Origin (BAPIO), which won a Court of Appeal ruling that it was unlawful. The department appealed to the House of Lords, which is expected to reach a decision in May.

If the Government wins, it could exclude all graduates from medical schools outside the EU from training posts with immediate effect. If it loses, it will have to find a way of implementing such guidance within the law.

The new immigration rules gained approval yesterday. Dr Ramesh Mehta, a consultant paediatrician and President of BAPIO, said: “This should have happened four years ago. We don’t have enough training posts and our UK doctors should have opportunities.”

The British Medical Association was less impressed, however. Dr Hamish Meldrum, chairman of the BMA Council, said: “This is a confusing move, which seems to achieve little apart from adding to the uncertainty for overseas doctors in the NHS.”

Matthew Jamieson-Evans, a spokesman for RemedyUK, a pressure group set up by young doctors last year, said: “They should have done this years ago. If they had done it sooner, it would have avoided a lot of trouble.”

drmali · Credits: 1605 My Scrapbook

well thx alot for posting ur views and i would like to explain my view.
first of all i am one of the guys who got into foundation with work permit and i paid 1200 in the assessment with no gauarantee of anything and i got into the foundation programme because there was no eu or uk applicant to fill my post as simple as that...its not about visa its about if there are vaccancies available or not and i am sure there will always be vaccancies because not all the uk graduates will apply and not all the eu graduates will come to england to work. now they dont talk about visa they talk about where u graduated from they say uk graduate or eu graduate,,second thing who said that hsmp doesnt help its a right to work in uk at least its better than nothing .at least it will get u a job when there is no uk or eu applicant..at least it will get u a trust locum job or non training or whatever better than being jobless or on the street and at the end who wants something will get it..i ve been warned alot since i started doing the IELTS 2 years ago that dont go to uk there r no jobs u will lose ur money and at the end i got into it ..who wants something will get it thats what i am sure about....

Published by the MMC Team, Wednesday 30 April 2008

Two years ago, the Department of Health issued guidance to the NHS to control access to postgraduate training places for doctors graduating outside the European Economic Area (EEA). Following protracted litigation, the House of Lords ruled on Wednesday 30th April that this guidance was unlawful.

However, the House of Lords’ judgement is complex and will need to be considered carefully by the Department of Health, alongside the outcomes of an ongoing consultation on this subject which is due to end on May 6th (see below for details).

Existing Home Office immigration rule changes, which came into force on 29 February, already give preference to UK and EEA graduates over International Medical Graduates (IMGs). These rules apply only to new migrants.

The Department of Health will need to consider other options, such as increasing the number of training places available, reducing the number of UK graduates and charging for post graduate training, as set out in the current consultation document on this issue.

Background

In November 2007, the Court of Appeal decided that the Department of Health's guidance (issued in April 2006) on the management of applications for postgraduate training posts from certain categories of doctors who were not UK or EEA nationals was unlawful. The Department of Health petitioned the House of Lords to hear an appeal against the decision. This was accepted and the appeal was heard on the 28th February 2008. The final decision was announced on Wednesday 30 April 2008.

wakel2000 · Credits: 1545 My Scrapbook

yes drmali iam in the same situation as you FY with workpermit however we r stuck here because we are not eligible for ST posts [ except if u r on old HSMP ] . as there is no work permit for ST posts and the intense competiiton .unfortunately i am not on old HSMP so desperate about what is after FY .
we are stuck here . no future in this damn country and i regret that i left my post graduate back home for that shit .

drmali · Credits: 1605 My Scrapbook

wakel where u from?

wakel2000 · Credits: 1545 My Scrapbook

egypt

drmali · Credits: 1605 My Scrapbook

thats what i thought that u r egyptian coz u were posting ur article in that egypt forum shed 7eilak w mat7'afshi we will be alright i am sure elli bada2 el kalam fe el 7ewar da 2aslan elli bet2olak chnage ur status de 2aslan ana 2a3rafha w gozha m3ah british passport fa mesh far2a m3aha 7aga heya bas 3ayza to7'no2 3al nas sebha 3ala rabena ya 3am hatemshi good luck with ur post where will u work?

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