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Daktar, you are a fool not to see the gain in orthopaedics
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03.17.07 (1 year ago)
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| You still have NOT justified the Seat loss in OBGY in AIPG because 100 point roster was followed. |
That was because of the seat gain in Radio, Paed, orthopaedics
, Gen Med, Gen Surg and Other disciplines...
I have clearly told that General Category students have got orthopaedics
and Paed only because of 100 point roster and if rotation roster had been followed, they could not have got these.... They have been very well explained... See the relevant posts
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| You have still not accepted this to be a pitfall of your proposed POINT ROster system |
What I am telling is that Rotation roster has MORE PITFALLS than this 100 point roster... If you don't want pitfalls, there should be no reservation at all
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I have proved why you shud not compare <a href="http://www.rxpgonline.com/forum2.html">AIIMS
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with Aipg counselling. ...You have no logic to defend yourself .... |
Not at all proved... Can you show the link please.....
AIPG 2006 - No Reservation
AIPG 2007 - 100 point reservation
AIIMS
- Rotation Roster
Now if you want to compare Rotation Roster and 100 point roster, what will you compare
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| Stop personal attacks.... RXPG iians are intelligent to see thru u |
Yeah..... Please give some facts...
By the way do you accept that General Category students were able to take MORE THAN 77.5% of seats of orthopaedics
, Paed, Gen Med, Gen Surg, etc ONLY because of 100 point roster and if rotation roster had been followed those seats would have been locked
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03.18.07 (1 year ago)
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| We have actively debated the merits and demerits of POINT roster versus RoTATION system.... Bruno has highlighted the POINT roster and I have pointed out its pitfalls (leading to lot of animosity between uS).......... |
Yeah... The ONLY pitfall pointed out by Daktar was the fact the more than 22.5% of MD OG seats were taken by those from Reserved Category
But Daktar has no explanation for the more than 77.5% of MS orthopaedics
, MD Paeds, MD Gen MEd, MS Gen Surgery taken by the candidates from General Category....
So by following the 100 point system, General Category has taken more than 77.5 % seats in
MS orthopaedics
MD Paed
MD Gen Med
MS Gen Surg
THis is pointed out as a "pitfall" by Daktar....
And this is the reason why I am in favour of 100 point roster and Daktar want a rotation roster that always gives the general candidates less than 77.5 % (see AIIMS
and JIPMER
and you will know the ill effects of rotation roster)
I am not able to understand what Daktar says as "pitfall" when increase in effective number of seats in the prime disciplines has happened with 100 point roster
In case of reservation by rotation roster, this IS NEVER POSSIBLE....
How can you get more than 77.5% of seats by Rotation Roster in
Paediatrics
Orthopaedics
General Surgery
General Medicine
Please Note : The percentages were worked out by Daktar himself, but he conveniently left out the Paed, orthopaedics
, Surg, Med where General Category has got more than 77.5 % of seats and was focussing ONLY ON OG where more than 22.5 % of seats have been taken by Reserved Candidates
The very fact that he had ignored the seat distribution in Paed, orthopaedics
, Med and Surgery intentionally and was misguiding the users was the reason his posts that were giving wrong impression were deleted
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03.18.07 (1 year ago)
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WOW!! You seem to be running a ONE MAN ARMY here, Dr.Bruno.
Congrats!!!
You have stressed the fallacy of SC replacing SC, ..etc. How does anyone REPRESENT to mohfw...Any idea?
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03.19.07 (1 year ago)
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| How does anyone REPRESENT to mohfw...Any idea? |
Write a letter
It is so simple
If you are not satisfied with the reply, go to Supreme Court
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03.19.07 (1 year ago)
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One thing is never mentioned.........
How are the diploma/ pre/paraclinical degrees being affected by the point roster over rotation roster?
I think like g&o they are also losers...........Their no. is also not too small either.
Look at the end of the allotment list............how come there are so many sc/st there?really weird..........
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03.21.07 (1 year ago)
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| drpupai wrote: |
One thing is never mentioned.........
How are the diploma/ pre/paraclinical degrees being affected by the point roster over rotation roster? |
The list is in open
Please calculate
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| I think like g&o they are also losers...........Their no. is also not too small either. |
Calculate and then let's decide instead of just assuming
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| Look at the end of the allotment list............how come there are so many sc/st there?really weird.......... |
How many are there...
How many are supposed to be there...
Can you explain a bit more
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03.25.07 (1 year ago)
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Please understand the 100 point Roster before jumping to conclusions
This 100 point roster is the best way to implement reservations
Please see
See specialties with just 2 seats
Paediatrics
Psychiatry
Now if you are Rank 2 (or even 3 or 4 or 5 or 6) in General Turn and want Paediatrics
, what system is beneficial to you
Is that the 100 point roster (as proposed ) or the rotation roster (as followed in AIIMS
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If know that you will prefer no reservations at all, but what among the two systems
Please see that AIIMS
notification and see all other notifications and answer
At least in this system (100 point roster), they are equating SC Rank 1 with General Rank 7
In the previous system (rotation roster) they are were equating SC Rank 1 with Open Rank 1
What happened in AIIMS
will happen in KEM this year (and Grants will be free) and Grants in 2008 and KEM will be free
So if you are from Bombay and have taken Rank 6 and want MD Radio, you have to go to Delhi or take rank 6 or higher rank next year if you follow the rotation roster
The 100 point roster solves that problem superbly
This is what will happen with rotation roster
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03.25.07 (1 year ago)
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| dexterap wrote: |
yes tornado 97. But the thing is do you think a person with reservation will opt for a worse college?
In the rotation roster as followed in <a href="http://www.rxpgonline.com/forum2.html"><a href="http://www.rxpgonline.com/forum2.html">AIIMS
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, the reservation category students are first counselled followed by the general category. The logic behind is that if any of the category seats are left behind they can be shifted to the general category
In Kerala the physically handicapped student will be called first. Unless he is also mentally retarded it is highly unlikely that he will opt for the RD seats in Thrissur or Calicut.
So the net effect is that for courses with limited number of seats or few institutes the rotation roster turns out to be not only seat specific but also
college specific. |
Well Said...... Exactly... Unless he is also mentally retarded, he won't opt for a diploma when he has a degree |
ok..this time rd seat for ph is reserved at thrissur...and well ph 1st rank has got a good rank for which he'll get any descent surgical seat..he/she neednt b mentally retarded to choose something other than rd...
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03.25.07 (1 year ago)
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| Bruno wrote: |
Please understand the 100 point Roster before jumping to conclusions
This 100 point roster is the best way to implement reservations
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BRUNO HAS POSTED THIS SEAT DISTRIBUTION OF AIIMS
SEVERAL TIMES IN SUPPORT OF HIS CLAIM THAT ROTATION ROSTER IS HARMFUL COMPARED TO POINT ROSTER.
TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT IT.
1. In no clinical stream is reservation more than 22.5% than Surgery
ignore the 25% s as fractions of seats cannot be given. So its all right.
Also IGNORE Paediatrics
.... bcoz though 50% may sound too much ...actually it is 1 out of 2 seats--- Dont be misled by statististics
2.Surgery 33.3% ...but 2 out of 6-- thats why!!
Moreover if u have noticed Aipg 07 , u will have noticed that OBGY was 33%... 20 extra seats lost ot SC ST
So no use crying hoarse thaT ROTATION system is worst---- both SYSYTEMS has its advantages and disadvantages....
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03.25.07 (1 year ago)
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That is very good logic....
You want to IGNORE the more than 22.5% of Paediatrics
seats alloted through Rotation Roster.......
Then it is NO problem for me
Any how, this is just one notification I have given
It you go through the notifications of the past 5 years, you will know the truth.....
By the way, I did not know that Daktar was SO GRACIOUS ENOUGH TO IGNORE THE ADDITIONAL SEATS LOST THROUGH ROTATION ROSTER....
If you can ignore the additional seats lost due to Rotation Roster, then I don't think that any roster is going to be a problem for you.....
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