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Quick Scroll AIPG 2004 Blue colour in Post Mortem Hypostatis 01.17.04 (4 years ago) #1

Deep blue colour of hypostasis is seen in death due to poisoning by?
A) Potassium cyanide
B) Phosphorus
C) Aniline dyes
D) Carbon monoxide


As far as I looked, in text books by Dr.Apoorva Nandy, Dr.Narayana Reddy and Dr.Parikh,

Asphyxia - Blue
Cyanide - Bright Pink or Red
Phosphurus - Dark Brown
Aniline Dyes - Red Brown
Nitrites - Red Brown
CO - Cherry Red

It is easy to understand why blood is Red in Cyanide and Carbonm Monoxide inspite of them being "asphyxiants"

In both these cases oxygen is not used as they interfer at the level of respiratory chain
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Quick Scroll 01.17.04 (4 years ago) #2

ans is aniline dyes , ref MODI
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Quick Scroll 01.17.04 (4 years ago) #3

So what should be the answer Bruno?According to these references all are incorrect.

Praveen--can u give us the quote from MODI ?
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Quick Scroll 01.18.04 (4 years ago) #4

Quote:
Deep blue colour of hypostasis is seen in death due to poisoning by?
A) Potassium cyanide
B) Phosphorus
C) Aniline dyes
D) Carbon monoxide


when i solved this ther,i chose potassium cyanide,jus bcos I was sure abt the colours of the rest of the 3 options.

i searched most of the buks;but nowhere its mentioned dat aniline dyes can give a 'blue' color.

even 'net' knowledge says,
anilines leave brown colour.

here are few lines frm this site:
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in cases where methaemoglobin is formed in the blood during life (e.g. potassium chlorate, nitrates, and aniline poisoning) it appears chocolate brown


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Cyanide poisoning results in lividity which is described by different authors as pink, bright scarlet, and violet.
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Quick Scroll 01.19.04 (4 years ago) #5

Page number and edition of MODI Please
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Quick Scroll 12.01.04 (3 years ago) #6

Hi,
There is no text vch dogmatically states the reason of Deep Blue color of Post Mortem Hypostasis though i had a discussion vth the the most learned Forensi Pathologists of the country in a conference of Forensic Medicine but they were of the opinion that the ans is Cyanide Poisoning

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Quick Scroll 12.01.04 (3 years ago) #7

Apoorva Nandy's Book 1st edition Page 443 says aniline produces blue colour
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Quick Scroll 12.01.04 (3 years ago) #8

Question 52 from RxPG AIPG 2004 Book by Bruno - Jaypee Brothers.
Deep blue colour of hypostasis is seen in death due to poisoning by:
1. Potassium cyanide.
2. Phophorus.
3. Aniline dyes.
4. Carbon monoxide.
Answer
3. Aniline dyes.
Reference
Apurva Nandy 1st Page 443
The Essentials of Forensic Medicine and Toxicology 21st Edition : K.S.Narayana Reddy Page 131
Narayana Reddy Page 121
Parikh Page 6th Edition Page 3.12
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Apoorva Nandy 1st Edition Page 443
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Hypostasis is discolouration of the skin and organs after death due to accumulation of fluid blood in the dependent parts of the body. Post mortem lividity is also called
 Post mortem hypostasis
 Livor Mortis
 Vivices
 Suggilation
 Postmortem Staining
Post mortem hypostasis is Blue colour in deaths due to Asphyxia and Poisoning with Aniline
Explanation
One book gives that Post mortem hypostasis is blue coulour in Poisoning with Aniline. So we are going for Aniline as the answer, though few other books give that Aniline produces Brown Colour. And all INDIAN books agree with the postmortem hypostasis in other options. (Let us limit our self to Indian authors, though one foreign book says that the colour is blue in KCN poisoning, but remember this fact if you see this question next time with aniline not in any of the choices, but KCN is there in the list. )
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The colour normally is
 at first Bluish pink,
 then Bluish purple
The colour of the lividity changes in Poisoning due to various agents are
 Pink Cyanide
 Bright Cherry Red Carbon monoxide
 Color of the skin is bright cherry-red if saturation of carbon monoxide in the blood is > 30%.
 If < 20%, then such a coloration is not visible
 Blue Aniline (As per Apurva Nandy)
 Reddish Brown Aniline, Nitrites
 Chocholate Brown Potassium Chlorate
 Dark Brown Phosphorus
 Greyish Brown Septic abortin caused by C. welchii
 Black Opiates
 Bluish green Hydrogen Sulphide
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Contact palor is a phenomenon which refers to the paleness of the areas that are in direct contact with the surface. This is similar to Contact Flattening in Rigor Mortis.
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Quick Scroll hypostasis color 12.06.04 (3 years ago) #9

Hi!! Dr.Bruno
I am really impressed by the amount of research u put and try to find references for each and every question
This Q regarding Deep Blue hypostasis is a tough one,with all respect to Dr.Nandy I must Qoute Dr.V V Pillay's mail written to me on 6th dec 2004 according to him
"Dear Dr. Sumit Seth,
Thank you for the kind sentiments expressed in your message.
Regarding PM lividity of the poisons mentioned in your mail, I am providing you the information available with me:
a) Phosphorus: Brown
b) Aniline: Brownish red, or dark brown
c) Pot. Cyanide: Bright (brick) red, or rarely dark bluish
d)CO poisoning: Cherry red (pink)
I have no information on any poison that produces "deep blue" discolouration, though this may be possible in cases where intense cyanosis was present. Cyanide occasionally produces bluish colour for this reason.Sincerely,
Dr.V.V.Pillay
Chief
Analytical Toxicology
Amrita Inst of Med Sciences
Cochin 26
Ph: 0484-2804852 (direct dialling)

Thus i will recommmend all student to go for KCN in c/o Deep blue color Hypostasis
With Regards
Dr.Sumit Seth
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Quick Scroll 12.06.04 (3 years ago) #10

Agreed...... I will change it in the next edition of the book.... The RxPG AIPG 2001 to 2005 book to be released in a couple of months (with AIPG 2005)

By the way, Dr.Sumit, your book on Forensic Medicine is excellent........
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