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Sunday 16th of May 2004 11:02:15 PM (5 years ago)
#1
Russian medical options
BY KAREN CHAPMAN
WHEN it comes to studying medicine, Russia
is probably not the first destination that comes to mind. Most students would cite the United Kingdom or even Australia
as their top choice.
But before you dismiss Russia
on grounds that you simply couldn't possibly master the Russian language or withstand those absolutely freezing temperatures, think again! Studying medicine in Russia
might just turn out to be the best option for you if your financial resources are limited.
More and more Malaysians today are looking at Russia
for a medical degree. Abdullah Mohd Salleh will tell you that studying medicine in Russia
is not without its advantages His daughter, a fourth year medical student in Moscow Medical Academy, is not only under the tutelage of some of the finest doctors in the world but has also picked up the Russian language and is actively involved in student life.
''My daughter Nor Azimimah or Azie as I call her, has always wanted to be a doctor. I checked out a few countries such as India and the United Kingdom but the costs were prohibitive. Then I discovered that studying medicine in Russia
over a period of six years only costs about US$25,000 (RM95,000), including accommodation. The fees could also be paid in affordable instalments, so I decided to send her there,'' shares the proud father.
Abdullah says Azie was among the pioneer batch of eight Malaysian students who went to Russia
in 2000.
''I have no regrets sending her there as she picked up the Russian language and is now very fluent. When my wife and I visited her last December, she impressed us with her command of the language when she took us around.
''She is also the president of the Moscow Malaysian Students' Association and rents an apartment near the metro (Moscow subway system) with two friends,” he adds.
Russia
is an interesting option for Malaysian students.
Marik Singh, whose daughter Jaspal Kaur is a third year medical student in Moscow Medical Academy, also has no hesitation in recommending Russia
as a study destination to anyone.
''Jaspal was doing her 'A' levels in one of the private colleges here in Kuala Lumpur when we found out about Russia
. We were impressed by what we were told. The fees were also very affordable. I think we are fortunate that Russia
accepts Malaysian students to study medicine there.
''She adapted very well and is very happy,'' he says, adding that he and his wife are planning to visit her soon.
Marik says his daughter needs about RM300 for rental, food, travel and other personal expenses per month.
''Jaspal has learnt to be a good cook and we are very proud of her,'' he adds.
Numbers growing annually
The figures on the popularity of Russia
as a destination for medical studies speak for themselves. From a mere 100 students in 2001, the figure has grown six-fold to over 650 students studying medicine in various universities throughout the country.
Although Russia
is a relatively new destination for Malaysians wishing to pursue higher education courses, it has long been popular with Asian countries such as India, China, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka. Ambassador of the Russian Federation to Malaysia and Brunei Darussalam Vladimir Morozov says Russia
has been opening the doors of its universities to youths from many countries for many years.
''Students have the opportunity to use state-of-the-art training and research facilities. The latest laboratories, teaching aids, instruments, simulators and specialised libraries combined with your lectures will help you achieve your dream of becoming a specialist in your chosen field,'' he says when he attended the high tea reception marking the opening of the Kuala Lumpur office of Russian Resources Sdn Bhd last Wednesday.
''We hope that the knowledge and skills our students acquire will help provide high quality medical services to the people in Malaysia,'' he says.
Besides receiving an education of international standing, students will also enjoy the enriching experience of living in a country steeped in culture, history and beauty.
''I hope the students will make new friends and help foster ties to promote better understanding between Russians and Malaysians,” he says.
The Public Services Department in Malaysia recognises medical degrees from the Moscow Medical Academy, Russian State Medical University, Nizhny Novgorod State Medical University, Volgograd State Medical University and Kursk State Medical University. The six-year medical degree in Russia
includes clinical experience.
Both the World Health Organisation (WHO) and United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organisation (Unesco) has ranked Moscow Medical Academy and Russian State Medical University as second and third in the world.
Honorary consul of the Russian Federation Teoh Seng Lee says Russian medical universities offer highly affordable medical degrees compared with other countries, without compromising on quality.
A Russian university medical degree costs between RM130,000 to RM180, 000 compared to between M500,000 and RM800,000 in other countries.
''This estimate covers tuition fees, hostel accommodation, use of university facilities, annual return air fare and living expenses,'' he says, adding that costs may vary depending on the city.
Living in Moscow for instance, would be more costly than living in smaller cities like Volgograd and Nizhny Novgorod
Although the medium of instruction for medical degree programmes in several Russian universities is English, students need to be able to speak Russian by their fourth year.
Nizhny Novgorod State Medical Academy surgery department head and vice dean of overseas admissions Dr Vladimir Zagainov explains that students need to speak Russian in order to communicate with patients and clinical staff.
''Besides Anatomy
and Physiology
classes in the first year, students will also be taking Russian language classes. They will be meeting patients in hospitals in their fourth year so they should be able to speak the language by then.''
Dr Zagainov says the academy currently has students from 26 countries, with some 80 Malaysian undergraduates.
''Some have difficulty in pronouncing certain words in Russian but Malaysians in general are able to pick up the language,'' he says.
He says the academy is expecting 55 more Malaysians to join the university in September.
Describing Malaysian students as hardworking, Moscow Medical Academy vice-rector for international affairs Prof Renad Alyautdin says they usually obtain good results.
''Although the minimum entry requirement into medicine in Russia
are Bs in Science subjects or a CGPA of 3.0, most of the students have As in all subjects,'' he adds.
Prof Alyautdin says the academy has opened a new hostel this year and is currently renovating older hostels.
Volgograd State Medical University vice chancellor Prof Alexander Spasov says there are 170 Malaysians at his university.
''Most stay in the hostels although some have opted to rent apartments in the city with friends,'' he says.
Teoh, who is also the director of Russian Resources Sdn Bhd, explains that the company assists Malaysian students in their applications to Russian universities and institutes.
To date, the company, founded in 1996, has successfully assisted over 300 Malaysian students in pursuing tertiary education in Russia
.
''We act as a liaison between the Russian institutions and students.
''Russian Resources ensures that applications to institutions, visas, initial travel arrangements and housing arrangements are properly coordinated,'' he says.
He adds that students leaving for the first time to Russia
will be accompanied by a company representative and met at the airport, and will also be brought to the university for registration.
Presently, the company represents Moscow Medical Academy, Russian State Medical University, Volgograd State Medical University, Nizhny Novgorod State Medical Academy and Moscow State Aviation Institute.
For more information about studying medicine in Russia
, contact Roline Ong at Russian Resources Sdn Bhd, Suite 3.05, 3rd Floor North Block, The Ampwalk, 218 Jalan Ampang, 50450 Kuala Lumpur, or tel 03-2171 1226, or fax 03-2171 2329. You may also contact Ng Ting Ah at The Registrar, Education Russia
, Russian Resources Sdn Bhd, 37 Green Hall, 10200 Penang, or tel 04-262 2944, or fax 04-262 4926.
Tuesday 18th of May 2004 08:24:55 AM (5 years ago)
#2
Russian Medical College are the worst choice. They are the worst medical college in the world .I was in Russia
,Kursk,StPetersburg,Ukraine and was so disgusted with the system that I decided go back to my country study and get into a bettter Uni.I dont understand how the Malaysian Govt could recognise these Unis.There are so many flaws that even the Indian ,Srilankan and many more councils have derecognised the RUSSIAN MEDICAL SCHOOLS.YOU DONT HAVE TO STUDY,YOU CAN PAY AND PASS,PLENTY OF BOOZE,SEX AND DOPE AND THEN THE NEO NAZIS THE CORRUPT OFFICIALS AND NOW WORST STILL THE TERRORISTS.About the WHO lemme tell you one thing only those loosers who cannot make it into good medical schools because of low grades go to Russia
.I know some Businessmen who literally bought Russian Medical Degrees for US $25,000 AND THE COLLEGES WERE MOSCOW MEDICAL ACADEMY,KURSK,St PETERSBURG.UKRAINE of all is the worst place to go where you can buy literally anything starting from any undergraduate degree to Phd.I dont want to talk about KURSK,IT DOESNT EVEN QUALIFY AS A MEDICAL SCHOOL.JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE A BUILDING AND SOME 10 LECTURERS WHO CAN SPEAK MONOSYLLABIC ENGLISH DOESNT QUALIFY YOU TO START AN ENGLISH LANGUAGE PROGRAMME.THE PROGRAMME WAS ACTUALLY STARTED FOR THE LEBANESE BUT NOW IT IS CONSIDERED,CLAIMED BY THEM TO BE THE BEST DERECONISE THE MEDICAL SCHOOLS.MEDICOS WORLDWIDE COMPLAIN TO THE MEDICAL COUNCILS.AS RESPONSIBLE DOCTORS WE HAVE TO STOP THESE GRADUATES FROM RUSSIAN MEDICAL SCHOOLS WHO WILL BRING SHAME TO OUR ALREADY TAINTED PROFESSION.
DR.Aramis Luciano
MBBS,MRCP
Russia
's St. Petersburg State University, Faculty of Medicine is not kursk, and its English language medical doctor degree is unique from any of the Moscow med schools, or any other medical school, in the world. Here is their web site for the MD/USMLE
Green Card Program.
President Vladimir Putin and Vladimir Lenin are both Alumni of the University, where 8 Nobel Prizes were earned.
USMLE
instruction is incorporated into the curriculum, and students are certified for USMLE
Step 1 at the end of their 3rd year, and Step 2 at the end of their 5th year. The program also affords the students the opportunity to receive an American Green Card before they graduate, so that they can do postgraduate hospital residency in the US without visa problems. All the information is posted to their web site.
There are many elements of the University's Faculty of Medicine's program which sets it apart from all other medical schools in Russia
, including: Students receive basic science course instruction at the various faculties, e.g. Biology, Chemistry, Physics, etc., structured for medical eduation; It's teaching staff is the best in St Petersurg, which includes Academicians of the Russian Academy of Science, authors of Russian Medical school textbooks, etc.; There are 3 other WHO listed medical schools in St. Petersburg, and the best English speaking Professors from those schools instruct in their particular disciplines also at the Univerisity's Faculty of Medicine English language program; Because of the quality and seriousness of the curriculum instructed, graduates of the University's MD program are permitted to enter their postgraduate residencies immediately after graduation. This is the only medical school in Russia
where this is allowed by the Ministry of Health. All other medical graduates, from all other medical schools in Russia
must do a one year internship program before they can enter any Russian postgraduate residency program. This demonstrates the uniqueness of its curriculum, as well as the recognizition of the Degree within the Russian medical profession.
St Petersburg State University is Russia
's first University, founded in 1724 by Peter the Great. Dimitry I. Medeleev (Periodic Table of Elements), Ivan Pavlov (Nobel Prize Physiology
and Medicine) and many other renowed scientists, researchers and medical doctors are members of it's alumus.
While some of the disparaging remarks made by Dr Azarro may apply to the Kursk school and some others, they do not apply to the St. Petersburg University's Faculty of Medicine.
It is well recognized that St. Petersburg is unlike any other city in Russia
. The cultural heart of the country, it is known as a University city, and Russia
's most European city. Millions of tourists visit the city each year because it is known as a world class city.
Students interested in receiving a unique, world class medical education which will lead to a green card for postgraduate hospital residency in the US after graduation, in a world class city should consider the Faculty of Medicine.
Questions can be sent to Dean of the Medical Faculty, Professor Sergie Petrov MD., Ph.D.,
I cooperated with the University's Faculty of Medicine to develope the MD/USMLE
Green Card Program, and remain associated with the University for this program. (see web sites) I can answer all your questions and direct you to a country representative for further information and enrollment.
Monday 9th of August 2004 01:57:44 AM (5 years ago)
#5
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Monday 10th of January 2005 12:04:45 PM (5 years ago)
#7
Russian medical schools are indeed good,but only for their own Russians not the english programme which is literally a degree mill.
Students with horrendous results in SPM,O Levels and A Levels are taken in.They learn jack all about medicine.And after 6 years they return home to Malaysia where we find them totally inept and incompetent.Many from Moscow medical academy and even some final year elective students from Russia
/Ukraine can't even clerk a proper history and perform a clinical examination.Not to mention they do not know scrubbing procedures and venepuncture skills.Some have never even seen and used an opthalmoscope.
It is sad that the Minsitry of Health is not looking into the problem.I do hope aspiring students do not take easy short cuts by going to Russia
but work hard,study hard,get the GRADES required to be a doctor and get into a good medical school.
Its simple.shape up or ship out!
Thursday 13th of January 2005 01:19:16 PM (5 years ago)
#8
To everyone,
I was a student at Kursk and I have got to say that not only teaching is bad but exams are a sham-everybody passes.
Clinical teaching is nil to none.A lot of my classmates are fellow malaysians who did not get into local universities in Malaysia or even private medical universities of quality such as IMU,PMC or PCM.
Indeed,the place in Kursk was filled with mutts intending to become doctors.
Thank god I left that place,retook my A Levels to get the needed grades and am now happily studying in IMU.
Wednesday 2nd of February 2005 05:55:06 PM (5 years ago)
#9
What I know is that Russia
's Yuri Gagarin is the first man from earth who succesfully reached outer space even before america and continued now by other russian astronauts. And now malaysia is learning and getting help from Russia
to get their astronauts to the moon. Meaning that Russia
is a very advance country in terms of its education especially in science since long before. So what nut are you people talking?
Wednesday 2nd of February 2005 05:58:17 PM (5 years ago)
#10
What I know is that Russia
's Yuri Gagarin is the first man from earth who succesfully reached outer space even before america and continued now by other russian astronauts. And now malaysia is learning and getting help from Russia
to get their astronauts to the moon. Meaning that Russia
is a very advance country in terms of its education especially in science since long before. So what nut are you people talking?
Saturday 5th of February 2005 10:49:28 AM (5 years ago)
#11
Singapore's medical degree is known to cost a hefty half a million Singapore dollars, and its MBBS degree, first class.
But my father and I both experienced occasions when even specialist doctors failed to perform a venepunture succesfully. For me, it was four and five times on 2 different occasions. My father had his venepuncture successfully completed only on the fifth try, and after he exclaimed in frustration and pain,"ARE YOU TRYING TO KILL ME?! My venepuncture was finally done by a Filippina nurse. She was successful at the FIRST piercing!
Saturday 5th of February 2005 10:50:50 AM (5 years ago)
#12
Perhaps this is because Singapore medical faculty uses mostly dummies for their students to practice on. A dummy is a dummy. They all will have similar pre-fab 'veins' in identical locations. If you've done venepuncture on one, you've done on them all! But the cadaver is different. It is a real 'live' corpse, each different from the other. There are young ones and old ones, large and small, fat and thin, each with its own unique venal structure - though same, yet different (unique). This may explain why F. de Souza faced the problems he had with Singapore doctors. Nothing like the real thing to build up true clinical proficiency.
Saturday 19th of February 2005 11:02:48 AM (4 years ago)
#13
i am Malaysian. i just finished my STPM, but i got very poor result. i wish to study in medical college. Can anyone help me by giving some ideas about how to apply for medical college and give me some information about any medical college that i can apply.
Tuesday 12th of April 2005 03:16:10 AM (4 years ago)
#14
i'm currently a 2nd year medical student in Kursk State Medical University. i felt so embarrassed to read posts about my university. those who left the uni and pursued medical degree elsewhere, i congratulate you. but shame on you that you simply condemned KSMU. DO you know that many people graduated from here, took USMLE
and passed. some i PERSONALLY know is currently working in US. i may agree the university building is in a poor state, but that doesn't give anyone excuse to degrade KSMU students. tell me.. bribery, cheating in which university doesn't occur?(i mean DOESN'T AT ALL).
i study for classes, i study for my exams, i passed exams with my own effort. so shame on those who generalised KSMU.
Tuesday 3rd of May 2005 06:46:28 AM (4 years ago)
#15
Russia
may reflect as a negative prespective to many but what i think is that every student has the right to study where they wish and we should not comment on that and we can't misjudge the integrety of the russian universities before detail investigations. There are many great doctors from Russia
in history and at present too.If we want to condemn we can do it to all universities in the world but we should verify the thruth before we do it.Every medical institution has its rough end, so its best we dont point fingers......
Sunday 29th of May 2005 03:56:52 PM (4 years ago)
#16
I have some words concerning this topic. I'm currrently 2nd year medical student in NNSMA.
i feel kind of insulting from the [bleep] posted previously.Even some of them are professional
Are you a real doctors? Have you ever pledged the Hippocratic oath? I think u (Azarro) is the
one who are bringing shame to the medical profession!! We shouldnt have criticized other people's
profession.No point for you to study so far,u coz u dont even have the basic manner--respect!
All the medical academy in the world has different kind of teaching and way of examination.
The medical institute wont be able to teach everything which are needed in future medical profession
Medic is an ever changing field, constant self-improvement is the only way for oneself to become a good
doctor. In Russia
, we have one of the highest cadaver:student ratio in the world, we meet a lot
of different kinds of cadaver. We have one of the best Anatomy
museum in europe.From 2nd year
onwards,we are given the chance to meet the real patients in the hospital,we encounter different
kinds of abnormalities which are impossible to meet in the rest of the world.We have better clinical
training because we are free to touch the patients.As far as i know, there are a few medical
academy in Australia
are going to be derecognised due to lack of clinical practice in hospital.Because
in those advance countries such as Australia
,the patient can sue the academy easily if the students do
some mistakes.Therefore, they rarely practice in hospital.For sure we have a lot of lazy students here,but
i'm sure there are in the rest of the world too!!
Sunday 29th of May 2005 03:57:02 PM (4 years ago)
#17
I have some words concerning this topic. I'm currrently 2nd year medical student in NNSMA.
i feel kind of insulting from the [bleep] posted previously.Even some of them are professional
Are you a real doctors? Have you ever pledged the Hippocratic oath? I think u (Azarro) is the
one who are bringing shame to the medical profession!! We shouldnt have criticized other people's
profession.No point for you to study so far,u coz u dont even have the basic manner--respect!
All the medical academy in the world has different kind of teaching and way of examination.
The medical institute wont be able to teach everything which are needed in future medical profession
Medic is an ever changing field, constant self-improvement is the only way for oneself to become a good
doctor. In Russia
, we have one of the highest cadaver:student ratio in the world, we meet a lot
of different kinds of cadaver. We have one of the best Anatomy
museum in europe.From 2nd year
onwards,we are given the chance to meet the real patients in the hospital,we encounter different
kinds of abnormalities which are impossible to meet in the rest of the world.We have better clinical
training because we are free to touch the patients.As far as i know, there are a few medical
academy in Australia
are going to be derecognised due to lack of clinical practice in hospital.Because
in those advance countries such as Australia
,the patient can sue the academy easily if the students do
some mistakes.Therefore, they rarely practice in hospital.For sure we have a lot of lazy students here,but
i'm sure there are in the rest of the world too!!
Sunday 29th of May 2005 03:57:26 PM (4 years ago)
#18
I have some words concerning this topic. I'm currrently 2nd year medical student in NNSMA.
i feel kind of insulting from the [bleep] posted previously.Even some of them are professional
Are you a real doctors? Have you ever pledged the Hippocratic oath? I think u (Azarro) is the
one who are bringing shame to the medical profession!! We shouldnt have criticized other people's
profession.No point for you to study so far,u coz u dont even have the basic manner--respect!
All the medical academy in the world has different kind of teaching and way of examination.
The medical institute wont be able to teach everything which are needed in future medical profession
Medic is an ever changing field, constant self-improvement is the only way for oneself to become a good
doctor. In Russia
, we have one of the highest cadaver:student ratio in the world, we meet a lot
of different kinds of cadaver. We have one of the best Anatomy
museum in europe.From 2nd year
onwards,we are given the chance to meet the real patients in the hospital,we encounter different
kinds of abnormalities which are impossible to meet in the rest of the world.We have better clinical
training because we are free to touch the patients.As far as i know, there are a few medical
academy in Australia
are going to be derecognised due to lack of clinical practice in hospital.Because
in those advance countries such as Australia
,the patient can sue the academy easily if the students do
some mistakes.Therefore, they rarely practice in hospital.For sure we have a lot of lazy students here,but
i'm sure there are in the rest of the world too!!
Monday 15th of August 2005 09:10:19 AM (4 years ago)
#19
having read all the posts regarding russian medic, i feel inclined to have a say about this.
i am a 3rd year medical student in nizhny novgorod statemedical academy, Russia
. i'm in english medium and so everything except russian language are tought in english. generally their english can be understood, we are also given various medical textbooks including those translated from russian, in my experience their Anatomy
atlasses are very complete, with labels in latin, compared to other atlasses we have from USA and europe.
regarding the exposure of students to the medical profession, they are better off than us.
to share some individual experience, i have problem with blood before, sometimes i nearly fainted when i saw blood. now, thanks to the system they have, i can even watch various breathtaking operations without any problem, even without taking breakfasst in the morning:).
we are taken to watch operations as early as 2nd year, we are also given the chance of doing some of the procedures, i have an anaesthetist as a lecturer in my 2nd year and he allowed us to do catheterization, iv injections, assisting him with endotracheal intubation and other preparations for the patient to undergo surgery( of course after proper scrubbing and gloving). during the operation, which is to replace the mitral valve, we're allowed to watch from a considerable distance(i could see the heart beating)...........well, tell me where in malaysia do you find a 2nd year participating in a major operation.
i am now having my 2months summer holiday in malaysia, last month was spent in a government hospital here doing my practical.(starting from 2nd year it is cumpulsory to do a one month practical in summer), as i did my 2nd year's practical in Russia
, i made comparison and i can see that it's better for practical knowledge to do it in Russia
.
1st of all, iwas required to sign a paper which in general only allow me to 'speak, watch and listen' during my stay in the hospital, asked why i am not allowed to do venipuncture and various other things for my 'practical training', having had experience doing it during my practical in Russia
, the doctor said that the hospital cannot
be responsible if anything happen( if i did something wrong, or there is infection,something like that, the patient might complain they said
). if this is the reason then how do people learn?. but that didn't let me down, and i did some jobs taking the patients histories and making diagnoses, also observing the staffs working. i know that not all hospitals in malaysia rlike that, because a few friends of mine are allowed to do things in other hospital.(most hospitals are like mine though)
as a fact, 3rd years are allowed to be the surgeon's assistant (taking and holding apparatus, tying knots etc) for summer practical in Russia
.
i think that some of you get the impression that the bad things happening in some russian universities as happening in all russian universities. this is not true, and actually it's up to the student to choose. he or she may choose to study or not to study, the lecturers are very experienced and know lots of things
they are keen to share with the students. if one choses to gain knowledge, then she/he is very lucky to study in Russia
.
regardingexaminations, i cannot deny that the system they have is very subjective. in examination students will not get the same questions. from up to 500questions, a student will only get 3-4 questions(depending on the subject), after taking the question, (exam tickets/ question will be spread out on the table, and the student will choose), up to 1 hour is given to prepare the answer, then he/she will come forard to the examiner, explain his/her answer, and also answer additional questions(which may or may not be relating to the questions on the ticket).....it is up to the lecturer to give 5(excellent), 4(good),3(satisfactory) or fail,2
and about patients, i think most of the patients in malaysia are very low educated about their health, many do not know the name of drugs they are taking, ehich make it difficult for doctors when the patients say they took white tablets, or red tablets
in Russia
, i can ask a babushka(grandma), what drug she took, and she can answer with either trade name or even international name, like nitroglycerine, or digoxine etc. the doctors there have the patients very well informed about their health, and i think that is what we also must do here.
as far as i know the graduates from Russia
who are now working in malaysian hospitals are private students who i assume to be rich, who didn't work hard during their stay in Russia
.as the first batch of government student in Russia
, i hope that we can prove ourselves to be as competent as any medical graduates from the uk, local unis etc.
there is a bad perception in our mind that have to change.
i hope what i have written can clear out some matters/accusations. i'm very pleased to answer any questions about medical study in NNSMA, Russia
. and i'm proud to be a student there
Monday 15th of August 2005 09:13:16 AM (4 years ago)
#20
having read all the posts regarding russian medic, i feel inclined to have a say about this.
i am a 3rd year medical student in nizhny novgorod statemedical academy, Russia
. i'm in english medium and so everything except russian language are tought in english. generally their english can be understood, we are also given various medical textbooks including those translated from russian, in my experience their Anatomy
atlasses are very complete, with labels in latin, compared to other atlasses we have from USA and europe.
regarding the exposure of students to the medical profession, they are better off than us.
to share some individual experience, i have problem with blood before, sometimes i nearly fainted when i saw blood. now, thanks to the system they have, i can even watch various breathtaking operations without any problem, even without taking breakfasst in the morning:).
we are taken to watch operations as early as 2nd year, we are also given the chance of doing some of the procedures, i have an anaesthetist as a lecturer in my 2nd year and he allowed us to do catheterization, iv injections, assisting him with endotracheal intubation and other preparations for the patient to undergo Surgery( of course after proper scrubbing and gloving). during the operation, which is to replace the mitral valve, we're allowed to watch from a considerable distance(i could see the heart beating)...........well, tell me where in malaysia do you find a 2nd year participating in a major operation.
i am now having my 2months summer holiday in malaysia, last month was spent in a government hospital here doing my practical.(starting from 2nd year it is cumpulsory to do a one month practical in summer), as i did my 2nd year's practical in Russia
, i made comparison and i can see that it's better for practical knowledge to do it in Russia
.
1st of all, iwas required to sign a paper which in general only allow me to 'speak, watch and listen' during my stay in the hospital, asked why i am not allowed to do venipuncture and various other things for my 'practical training', having had experience doing it during my practical in Russia
, the doctor said that the hospital cannot
be responsible if anything happen( if i did something wrong, or there is infection,something like that, the patient might complain they said
). if this is the reason then how do people learn?. but that didn't let me down, and i did some jobs taking the patients histories and making diagnoses, also observing the staffs working. i know that not all hospitals in malaysia rlike that, because a few friends of mine are allowed to do things in other hospital.(most hospitals are like mine though)
as a fact, 3rd years are allowed to be the surgeon's assistant (taking and holding apparatus, tying knots etc) for summer practical in Russia
.
i think that some of you get the impression that the bad things happening in some russian universities as happening in all russian universities. this is not true, and actually it's up to the student to choose. he or she may choose to study or not to study, the lecturers are very experienced and know lots of things
they are keen to share with the students. if one choses to gain knowledge, then she/he is very lucky to study in Russia
.
regardingexaminations, i cannot deny that the system they have is very subjective. in examination students will not get the same questions. from up to 500questions, a student will only get 3-4 questions(depending on the subject), after taking the question, (exam tickets/ question will be spread out on the table, and the student will choose), up to 1 hour is given to prepare the answer, then he/she will come forard to the examiner, explain his/her answer, and also answer additional questions(which may or may not be relating to the questions on the ticket).....it is up to the lecturer to give 5(excellent), 4(good),3(satisfactory) or fail,2
and about patients, i think most of the patients in malaysia are very low educated about their health, many do not know the name of drugs they are taking, ehich make it difficult for doctors when the patients say they took white tablets, or red tablets
in Russia
, i can ask a babushka(grandma), what drug she took, and she can answer with either trade name or even international name, like nitroglycerine, or digoxine etc. the doctors there have the patients very well informed about their health, and i think that is what we also must do here.
as far as i know the graduates from Russia
who are now working in malaysian hospitals are private students who i assume to be rich, who didn't work hard during their stay in Russia
.as the first batch of government student in Russia
, i hope that we can prove ourselves to be as competent as any medical graduates from the uk, local unis etc.
there is a bad perception in our mind that have to change.
i hope what i have written can clear out some matters/accusations. i'm very pleased to answer any questions about medical study in NNSMA, Russia
. and i'm proud to be a student there
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They are the worst medical college in the world 
AND THEN THE NEO NAZIS THE CORRUPT OFFICIALS 
DERECONISE THE MEDICAL SCHOOLS.MEDICOS WORLDWIDE COMPLAIN TO THE MEDICAL COUNCILS.AS RESPONSIBLE DOCTORS WE HAVE TO STOP THESE GRADUATES FROM RUSSIAN MEDICAL SCHOOLS WHO WILL BRING SHAME TO OUR ALREADY TAINTED PROFESSION.
