Page 1 of 10: Debate: Open Category vs Reservation Quota for PG!

shivesh · Tuesday 18th of January 2005 06:25:50 PM (5 years ago) #1

i really doubt if in the history of aipge such an easy paper was ever set. i can bet money, this time cut off will be 64-65 %. my worst case scenario score is comming 65%. i belong to maharashtra and in maharashtra hardly any seats available for the open cat. 99 batch studs....glim mileu prevails

shivesh · Sunday 23rd of January 2005 07:32:13 AM (5 years ago) #2

An open category student toils round the clock for rank 16 and is much more qualified and deserving for a pg seat than a reserved category student getting a 300 rank who steals away his seat. This is not justice. What crime an open category student has done? Promoting backward caste students till graduation is all right but why for the post-graduation seat? At the post graduate level, quality of student should be a priority, and not his caste! By graduation all come, and should come on the same intellectual plane. At the most free form and free of charge seat should be provided to the backward castes….but snatching away, what rightly belongs to the one who has actually worked hard for it, is not justice. Such policies are stunts for votes nothing else. I am surprised at their guts, that recently they asked private companies too to make some reservations for back ward caste. But these organizations refused, why? Because they thrive on quality and cant take chances. Such policies make students of reserved category feel lucky, however deep inside them they feel inferior, because they didn’t compete in real sense, they got success at a cheaper rate. Hard earned success is always cherished, worshiped and respected, and inculcates a feeling of deserving and self respect.

Though I make every attempt to (wear a mask, like everybody does) be open minded and overlook caste out there in society, my core has been damaged, and if not consciously, sub-consciously I will always have a negative bias for reserved cat. Students and I might fail to appreciate their quality at all.

Shivesh 99

partha_aipg · Credits: 13148 Preparing for: AIPGE My Scrapbook

shivesh i thin kwe all know the truth of wat you said. but i think its unfair to look down upon the sc st students for that. wat are they supposed to do?should they go up and say to the govt take away our seats. its a policy decision - and it was taken by our constitution makers over 50 years ago keeping in mind the ground reality of their times and its the fault of the later day politicians who for their narrow gains have not been able to show the courage to modify/change/ stop the quota system.

in any case we all knew about the quota system before we plunged into the sea.so no use crying over it now. we have to try just that bit harder- and lets accept that -and stop showing animosity towards the quota students.
that can only be self destructive.

dr_nidhi · Credits: 13396 My Scrapbook

i agree with both shivesh and parthta........well i think the only students who suffer are the ones who work really hard and want to take no short cuts.......this a fact tht a hard working person will have a quiet a few set backs due to wrong policy making and the sorry state of affairs where quality is compromised by power...money...blah blah......now i think qouta students still come through a competition and their selection is absolutely legal what about the back door enteries who hve always found short cuts and are the seeds of detoriaration of the medical profession..............

guest gsvm · Credits: 84136 Preparing for: MRCOG Part 1 My Scrapbook

hi vineet,
i m of same para to which u belong,
but can bet u cant guess who i m, anyway hous your up pg,what r you currently doing
ill tell you one hint you r a very naughty n ofcourse cute fellow
lastly best of luck,and hey sourabh this time they had not repeated any previous years paper can you give any expert opinion of yours,just joking NARAJ MAT HO YAAR WE R TRAVELLIN ON THE SAME BOAT
and hey para s1 hous yours paper

sikandar · Credits: 453 My Scrapbook

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all teh poor guys slog ... and all teh DM AND COMMISSIONERS SONS get all teh seats .....
families thriving on teh power bestowed .

whom wil u complain .. half of beurocracy is full fo these s****.....

i bet there was one hidden in dghs .. who found out the short cut to increae the sc/st quota.

put them all in 1 city and nuke it.

shivesh · Wednesday 26th of January 2005 08:05:11 AM (5 years ago) #7

no dont kill sc. call every politican in bihar for a party and then nuke bihar. i call all medical students to donate 1000 rupees so that we can buy a nuke from alkaida at 27 % discount. make sure lalu is there other wise money will go to waste. and yes after that we can threaten abdul kalaam to work 24 hours and run the country, and recruit men, in otherwords become a dictator.

btw maharashtra has only 100 seats for open cat. as all the seat transfer that is made to all india is solely from open quota

viner_nig · Credits: 1423 Preparing for: Australia My Scrapbook

lol @ shivesh

raman** · Credits: 84136 Preparing for: MRCOG Part 1 My Scrapbook

IT IS SO EASY FOR YOU ALL TO SAY ALL THIS. JUST YOU ALL TELL ME ONE THING ------ WHY IS IT THAT FIRST RANKER IN ALL COMPETITIVE EXAM IS ALWAYS FROM GENERAL CATAGORY ? THE GENERAL CATEGORY STUDENTS HAVE EVERY THING AT THEIR DISPOSAL. AND THIS HAS BEEN HAPPENING SINCE CENTURIES. THEY ALL ALL THE RICHES TO AFFORD EXPENSIVE COACHING CLASSES, BUY ALL THE EXPENSIVE BOOKS. TEHY HAVE THEIR PARENTS PAMPERING THEM WITH .. RIGHT FROM THE BEGINING BY SENDING THEM TO TOP SCHOOLS. THE INEQUALITY IS ALWAYS THERE. A BACKWARD CASTE STUDENT HAS SO MANY OTHER THINGS TO WORRY. THEY UNFORTUNATELY DONT HAVE SOLID BANK ACCOUNTS TO BACK THEM LIKE YOU HAVE. MANY HAVE TO WORK SIDE BY SIDE TO EARN AND EVEN SIMPLE LEISURE IS OUT OF QUESION. SO PLEASE DONT LOOK ONLY AT ONE SIDE OF THE COIN. FROM INTELLECT POINT OF VIEW A BACKWARD CASTE STUDENT IS NO LESS THAN A GENERAL CATEGORY STUDENT. ITS ONLY THE DIFFERENCE OF CIRCUMUSTANCES.

dr_nidhi · Credits: 13396 My Scrapbook

well sikandar seems to be a great fan of hitler........find all the jews put them in a boiler or suffocate them in a gas chamber(thts how hitler wrked)and why becoz they r jews ......but fortunately sikadar seems to hve a better option he has a nuke!!!!!
tell me doctor is it right to generalize like this......hate people becoz of some government policies......and if generalizing things would hve ever been able to solve problems we wont be here burning our sweat and blood for some damn specialization......

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hey all the members of rxpg
please dont react like that we r all doctors ,we cant change the circumstance we have to face what comes in life,yes it is very frustating
that pm has done an irreparable loss not for gen cat,but for whole country,but by this we fell in the prey n this is there intention to made the difference between us, i m a gen cat student n have no scar in my mind about sc st,
yes we have to face very tough comptetion ahead we should knouw that we cant the quota system
SO WHAT SHOULD WE DO? WORK VERY HARD IS THE ONLY ANSWER AS ITS RIGHTLY SAID WHEN THE GOING GETS TOUGH ONLLY THE TUGH GETS GOING WHAT WILL HAPPEN JUST WE GOT PG 1R2 YERS LATE AND AT TIME WE BECAME TOUGH STUFF BELIEVE IT THAT THERE 100 OF OPPERTUNITIES FOR THOSE WHO WORK HARD THIS IS THE PSITIVE SIDE JUST PERSIST SOMETHING POSITIVE WILL HAPPEN

RxPG_Team · Credits: 19673346 My Scrapbook

Well, the discussion was moving from AIPGE 2005 to open Category vs. reservation quota, so we have decided to split the topic to keep both the discussions on focus.

This new thread discussing this sensitive topic will be higly moderated and any use of abusive and hateful language will not be tolerated. Feel free to post your opinions to make a difference and not to simply vent your feelings.

dr_nidhi · Credits: 13396 My Scrapbook

that was wise move rxpg team.............

partha_aipg · Credits: 13148 Preparing for: AIPGE My Scrapbook

get a hold on yuorself sikander.shivesh . i completely agree with drnidhi- gereralizing like this is wat leads to violence ,communal riots, wars. its sad to see doctors talking in this way.
but i have often felt on thing- this quota system was evolved the gap between the general and the backward castes. but wat we now see is that the son or daughter of a person who has risen to posts like head of the department or even higher via the quota system also availing the quota. now i dunno how can the child of a son of a rich and famous doctor who has held a high government post be still backward. i think that totally defeats the purpose of the system.
i think quota system should be limited to one generation for each family.

partha_aipg · Credits: 13148 Preparing for: AIPGE My Scrapbook

also come to think of it- speaking strictly- even we general category students have avialed a quota- the merit quota. if govt removed all subsidy from medical education how many of us would have been able to bear the exorbitant costs of becoming a doctor.
and why single out lalu. is he the only corrupt politician- or do you dislike him because he is not techno sauvy like,not urban not glamourous like say promod mahajan,arun jaitley eyc- ho though have blood of more people on their hands.
however this is not a political forum- just mentioned these names cause shivesh talked about lalu.

sikandar · Credits: 453 My Scrapbook

why do we have to get moral and upright politically correct all the time.
i uphold "freedom of speech"

lets face it ...
the top ranker is not from reserve catogry cause they never work hard enough .. why .. cause they r RESERVED catogry . so simple
why is it that in our colleges .. the most failures r from reserve catogry .. even when they get rebate in fees and free books ... and even when they have reserve catogry proffesors favouring them.

and mind u .. go and check back grounds of top rankers .. they r rerely from effluent societies or big cities .. mostly sons and daughters or poor family .. with no resources at hand ... and came up to here against all odds ... with their hard work and determination .....
why have the reserve catogry guys becoem so used to easy life of being reserved that they are even afraid of imaginig teh senario of being not reserved ...

tell me any other country where there is reservation on basis of caste .... arent they progressing .. dont they do justice to their people..

reservation is just a weapon to get votes ......
and they want to put it in private sector tooo ......in jobs

how do u think it is justified ...... and teh way present govt is going they WILL jsutify it ... and it would eb reality very soon.

MEDICAL PROFFESION is one proffesion with deals with most sensitive of all things ,.. human lives and it requires not only vast knowledge but also teh ability to use it at right time presence of mind and a above average level of intelligence.

its the profession where any kind of favouritism .. except merit must be Banned....
be it either reservation for caste , nri , quotas , women , religion, language , domicile, anything.

peopel trust us with their and their loved ones lifes .. .... ... how can u entrust yr life in soemones hand .. who got the degree only because he belonged to soem particular caste ???

partha_aipg · Credits: 13148 Preparing for: AIPGE My Scrapbook

it appears your view of india is from feel good movies that you find the archetypal rags to riches story in all the genaral category students.well that is so far from the truth- at least forty -fifty percent of students in all medical colleges in cal come from families of doctors[me included] and so we cant even begin to understand the hardships these poor backward caste students must feel. my co intern was a quota student- and he came from such a society that first time he heard about the joint entrance exams were after he passed his twelvth.while city boys start preparing for the jee/i.i.t etc from class 9/10- remember the target i.i.t postal course.
so sikander first raise your voice against such inequality,such poverty, such atrocious living conditions wherin my co intern still has to electricity in his village. unless and until you do that- you sound feudal- much like our preceeding generations who downtroded them--and guess wat- its just pay back time- they have tortured- now we must sufer because of that.

i know i might lose out on a pg seat because of a quota student, or someone with much lless effort and knowledge might take away from my seat--but then i have no grudges because of that. thats the ground reality.and i knew it even before i started my mbbs- and so did you.so its no use spreading your animosity now.and iam sure the majority of our members disagree with your views and your unconstitutional choice of words.

i hate giving advice- but here's a quote from aristotle-- dont grumble- for everybody you see is fighting a harder battle

dr_nidhi · Credits: 13396 My Scrapbook

hey sikandar tell me any country(except india) where there is castism......

but i certainly agree with u about the vote bank strategy......as far as my knowledge of the constitution goes the makers allowed the qouta system for the frst 50 years to bridge the rift between the high caste and the backward......but gone r the leaders who viewed the countries progress as there lifes mission and worked relentlessly towards it........public is a vote bank and the politicians leave no stone unturned to get tht.....so they are extending and expanding the qouta system......
......and as i earlier said its only the hard working peole who suffer...................and sikandar i strongly believe that such people are not confined to any particular caste...........

......as far as being politically correct i believe ur statement was certainly not a pleasant one.......if merit is an important thing for being a doctor so is having respect for fellow human beings.............

dr_nidhi · Credits: 13396 My Scrapbook

i completely agree with partha and previous post by dr. raman...............

partha_aipg · Credits: 13148 Preparing for: AIPGE My Scrapbook

thanks nidhi. also initially our constitution makers proposed the quota system for only 10 yrs. but or later day politicians have unfortunately made a political issue out wat was initially a brainstorm of a social and developmental idea.

also i feel delienation of backward castes should be based on economic condition not on castes as many wealthy people take advantage of this quota depriving the real poor.
however in large parts of india- economics is so very caste based that it is easier said than done i guess.

and certainly i think we should show more respect to fellow indains -at least so near to our republic day

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