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confused · Credits: 3695 My Scrapbook

i have been doing some research on pathways to Australia . sharing with others seemed wise for two reasons. to help others and to help oneself!!!!

path 1: finish MBBS. go directly into various occupational trainee etc kind of jobs. then give AMC and so on.

path 2: finish MBBS. write AMC from India.

path 3: finish MBBS. finish diploma or md or DNB from india. then u have two options

a) apply for the exemption/assessment committee who will screen u and tell u how much more work u got ot do in Australia so that u can directly take up the royal college exams. u get to skip the AMC entrance exam. each individual is assessed separately depending on his cv which should include details of work done. this process will involve AMC and royal college of specific specialities and will cost u around 90000 bucks.

b) go and work as occupational trainee etc and then go through the same process as in a)

c) go through "area of need specialists" if ur speciality is suitable and work in various posts. the process of registering with college will be done by ur employer. ( the only part i am still working on is if he will pay for ur processing )

note: provided u have md or DNB and going through teh exemption committee, u will be asked to do very little work or nothing at all. all u have to do is write one exam or sometimes just an interview and u are a fellow of hte college. a diploma candidate is usually asked to finish a project(not 100%) sure. shall update soon.

Where to look for jobs: there are loads of websites belonging to each state.

bishnoi · Credits: 183 My Scrapbook

thanks for your info.
can u get me some info for me , i m mbbs, dpm, looking to go thru AON programme.
get to know about some agents who do it everything for u.

keep on giving more updates

bishnoi

confused · Credits: 3695 My Scrapbook

i have not come across agents so far.
i would suggest u to directly write to an employe with
ur cv. there are lot of advertisements for area of need specialits to give u those addresses.
or else forward ur cv to a friend of ur in Australia .

Dr_A · Credits: 1826 My Scrapbook

''path 1: finish MBBS. go directly into various occupational trainee etc kind of jobs. then give AMC and so on.''

Hi there confused! Can you please elaborate a bit on the 'various occupational trainee etc kind of jobs'??? I too have done a lot of research, and from what I've gathered there are no occupational trainee jobs or any other thing similar to that even if you are a fresh graduate. What Australia needs is GP's and not students who are freshies out of MBBS wanting to go in for residencies the US style or do some membership exams like the UK style.

The fact is that there is a shortage of doctors at the GP level and the specialist level NOT AT THE JUNIOR DOCTOR level. So the fact is that if you are looking out for a AON job after 3-4 years of post MBBS experience or are a specialist then, don't wait further just apply to the med boards and you are IN. But if you are just an MBBS, then its better you try elsewhere cos the Aussie's don't wanna train some foreigner in Medicine, Surgery, Paeds etc cos they have a lot of their students wanting to do these. So guys search for facts before you comment and decide!!!

confused · Credits: 3695 My Scrapbook

Dear Dr. A
I am happy about your comments and welcome them. In fact the very first paragraph in this thread read "help others as well as myself". I am not an authority in this field and I can make mistakes. The whole process of having discussions is to have a clearer picture. Having said this, I feel it was a bit too harsh for you to have written "So guys search for facts before you comment and decide!!!". I am sorry if you did not mean to criticize my research

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Coming to Clarification in path 1:
I frankly accept that most of my research has been for specialist recongition than non specialist recognition in Australia . Nevertheless, I know of atleast one person who went and worked(I am not sure of which post) in Australia for a short period before moving to UK immediately after finishing internship + a few months of work. I will try getting more information from him.
Occupational trainee posts: I had missed one piece of information here. One needs to get enrolled as a PG here and then can apply for a post in Australia . Once you are there you start working on your AMC exams (This is what i meant. something similar to doing research work or GRE in the US while preparing for MLE). Going as an occupational trainee after PG is a different issue which I won't discuss here.
I will post a reply I received from AMC when I had asked for some information:If it is your intention to compete specialist training in Australia and return to your home or another country on completion of that training, it is possible you would be regarded as an "Occupational Trainee". In that case, the AMC is unable to be of assistance to you, since the Council is not involved in processing applications for training or employment of doctors in Australia .
I would suggest one to directly write to Australian authorities wrt anything. They reply promptly. Interacting with AMC/Royal colleges is like chatting.

Other posts: Even if you were able to get into a low grade post in some damn medical setup (which I presume is possible considering my friend went there), there is no harm in quitting once you have cleared AMC.
Both these above routes according to me are not required/beneficial because you can give AMC studying in India and VISA is not a problem as compared to US.

Agreed that the Australian thing is quite complicated but one should always look for loopholes.

Differences between AON:
The major difference is that post-graduate trainee doctors have to apply for a different visa class and obtains a nomination from a hospital rather than a sponsorship. Whilst trainee positions are different to area of need (AON) positions, some AON positions can also be trainee positions. Doctors coming to Australia to work in AON positions have to apply for a different visa than post-graduate trainees. However, regardless of the type of visa you arrive on, if you are placed at a hospital that offers training, you will be able to have this accredited to your post-graduate education program.

Dr_A · Credits: 1826 My Scrapbook

Hi there! It was nice of you to reply to the message posted. I really didn't mean to criticise any of your points, I was just trying to clarify them. So, no offences meant

Well Confused if you have started this thread thinking that you can help others, then no big deal, thats a nice thought. But if you think that in the process you will get helped as well, then you are greatly mistaken.

Now getting back to the matter, I hope you might have gone through the threads that I've posted in this site with the subject as 'Can anyone shed more info' and 'Hey people vying for Australia please read this carefully'. Sadly no one bothers to discuss things nor try to get the facts. Everyone keeps repeating the same questions that have been asked a million times over in this whole forum like :-

What are the job opportuinities for docs in Oz?
Are there coaching centres in India for AMC?
Can the AMC be taken in India?
Which books to follow?
etc, etc, etc

A couple of guys have even gone to the extreme of posting their resumes (CV) in the forums and applying as though this was a recruting agency. I was really tired of all this and the fact that nobody was ever trying to address the real scenario there in Australia . And the trend continues to be the same on and on and on......

Occupational trainee posts : Yes its theoretically possible, but then taking into consideration the tremendous cost that is involved in the process it is more or less unimaginable. And after this whole drama one is not spared of the path that he has to travel after the AMC 2, 1 year of supervised training + 2 years of generalised training + 3 years of residential training (don't dream of anything more than a GP training). The net equation doesn't change, whether you do the occupational trainee post or do the AMC directly.

Other courses : Yes of course, I've seen the enthusiasm with MPH, Master of Health Service Management, Medical informatics and a lot more......(I really don't remember the entire list).

Now the basic thing that I can't understand is why are people who are into medicine going through all this funny paths. Once you are a doctor, why not continue to be one. All the masters program in Australia cost nothing less than AUD 18000 per annum, and mind you there are a lot of hidden costs in the form of general service fee, library fee, health insurance, student union fee, exam fee etc, etc, the list is never ending. What is the idea behind doing this? Does any of this work to some advantage

Fact about courses:The only advantage one can work to by doing a course there is earn 10 points towards his migration. 5 points for doing a course in Australia lasting not less than 2 years and 5 points for studying and living in regional Australia for not less than 2 years. One can eaily get a PR with 140 points if one has a good command over English (IELTS >6.5) and one clears his AMC 1+ AMC 2+ Supervised training. The cutoff score is 120, then whats the great need of this 10 points which is earned at a field totally out of the way from clinical practise. Whether one does a course or not the AMC process remains the same.

Hey Confused, seems like you have done a nice deal of research. What are you planning for? Or how are you planning on your AMC? I would like to discuss things with you, so if you can, do send me a mail using the mail facility provided at the profile section of my id. I want to discuss certain things with you, since I prefer talking to people who are equally sound and well versed with facts

Hoping to hear from you soon,

Dr_A

confused · Credits: 3695 My Scrapbook

Hi A
I repeat again that I have not done so much research wrt occupational trainee/ AMC. I have been concentrating on "ways to skip AMC".

And among the various ways to skip AMC, my main focus has been on assessment/exemptions. I have finished Diploma and have registered for DNB this year. Since I registered for DNB I have shelved plans of Australia for the time being.

There have been people, who only with a diploma, have gone there through assessment/exemption pathway. The only difference is that one will be asked to work for anywhere upto 2 years and then take up royal college exams. (unlike post MD/DNB who dont usually need so much stuff and sometimes only an interview is what is required). However one doesnt need to bother about working for sometime as they pay well.

My opinion is " if one wants to settle in Australia there is no need to get an MD here and then go. Even a diploma can be helpful to skip AMC and get into speciality rotations and then a fellowship". A lot will depend on you CV which should include details of work. Every royal college has a baseline of theirs against which they compare us and this is available online. If you have worked in a good setup you fulfill most of their requirements even with a diploma. Lastly, there are few specialities to choose - very similar to any other country.

I exchanged quite a few mails with the college exemption committee and AMC regarding this. I would be happy to share it or you can contact them directly. They are nice people.

RANGER · Credits: 2218 My Scrapbook

I may have some useful addresses I used when searching for an AON job. I'll forward them when I get your email address via the site messenger forum.

pragathi · Credits: 554 My Scrapbook My Reading List 2 Books

Hi Guys, I am amazed at all the information u people have gathered while being in India about prospects in Australia . Good Job!!I am a doctor from India,have been to aus and have passed the AMC part ie,the MCQ part which i was told would help me to get a temporary registration with the medical boards there but after a year and half i still am unable to get either a job or a registration or a valid visa..its become a vicious circle for me now.
I am looking for a way to go again to give the clinical part but am unable to find one...And this time I want to go in a way that I can work cause anyother way,belive me , is pretty costly..
I saw u guys talking about AON jobs..what are those and what are the related sites? And does anybody have any idea as to how u can go about getting a placement in the areas of need?

dolive · Credits: 2867 My Scrapbook

Hi Confused!
U really seem to have taken a lot of trouble to gather so much info.But cud u tell me what the BEST option for a fresh MBBS graduate would be.???Im really confused after reading your suggestions.
I finished my internship in May 2005 & im currently working as a Jr.resident ...will be working till Dec 2005.Iv got seat for MPH which wud start in Feb 2006.I plan to give my AMC MCQ by March or May 2006.I thot this was the ONLY BEST option for a fresh graduate....since i dont have enough work experience to apply for AON or any other job for that matter.But ur mail was discouraging.Pls advice quickly.....cos im running short of time.Is there a better option????Kindly advice.
Thanks.Hoping to hear for more advice.
Best regards....

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