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Quick Scroll FAQ: What you can expect as an overseas trained doctor in Oz 02.21.06 (2 years ago) #1

Hiya all
a lot of us are planning to go to Oz for various reasons
but does anyone know what the situation really is?
You hear a lot of differing stories

Is there any doctor from overseas who is actually working as a doctor who can let us know how it is working in Oz

I have begun this post to find out what you can expect as an overseas trained doctor in Oz after having read this post in another forum which I shall now quote

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I am not foolish enough to embark on yet another journey to Australia , waste all the money, start all over again and lose out due to the lack of jobs in that country.
The plain facts about Australia are, 1: The country needs GPs and Psychiatrists to work in the rural outbacks.They are not paid half as much as their counterparts in the UK and the cost of living in mighty high unlike the popular perception. Travel and stay are comparatively reasonable, but other expenses are sky high.
2: Training posts in fields other than GP and Rural Practice is impossible. Local graduates are ambitious and they do want to progress. They do look down upon IMGs.
3:The local press and government is against International Medical Graduates and they are made to work for a short period of time and then they are sent back without any money, thanks to the heavy tax levies. Hospitals in Queensland tries to recruit doctore with a bit of training in UK and get them over with false promises and kick them out in the end.


I request any doctor working in Oz to confirm/ refute the truth in these claims
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Quick Scroll Hi 04.07.06 (2 years ago) #2

Hello friends,
As Rhonda mentioned that getting job id not sure, I would like to know that what are the factors that affect getting a job in Oz?
Means from what I have heard after clearing AMC 1 we can get jobs in hospitals. Then we give AMC 2 after 8 months of cleaeing AMC 1. Even then, Is our future not secure in Oz?
Menas than is getting in Post grad easy?
This all questions are haunting me and I would request you all to answer me....
Thanks
regards...
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Quick Scroll maggi 04.14.06 (2 years ago) #3

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I would like to know that what are the factors that affect getting a job in Oz?
Means from what I have heard after clearing AMC 1 we can get jobs in hospitals. Then we give AMC 2 after 8 months of cleaeing AMC 1. Even then, Is our future not secure in Oz?
Menas than is getting in Post grad easy?


to get a job in Oz in the AONP- PG in india(or equivalent) ot two years exp in UK or equivalent

A few ppl who have passed AMC1 with an exceptional score have secured a job, not everyone who has passed AMC1 has a job

PG: following internship (one year) you have to be a Junior House Officer (one year) and then a Senior HO (one year)

After two years of working you get to be a Registrar/ PHO. Here is where the system differs from India

So yes nobodys future is secure in Oz and doing a PG in Oz is a lot difficult than it ever was in the UK
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Quick Scroll 08.09.06 (2 years ago) #4

Hey Plabotomy, we dont see you here very often now. You started this thread but seems busy working in Aust.

You are in a better position now to shed some light on the future of IMGs in Australia as u are working there, and specially the prospects of getting a training post leading to Fellowship of the Royal Aust. College.

Or maybe, some other guys! come on, we need ur opinion, it might save somebody from proceeding to a land which turns out to be another ''UK''.

Cheers.
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Quick Scroll 08.09.06 (2 years ago) #5

Hey shershah, I think Plabotomy has posted a whole lot of stuffs in the AON thread. Please check that out.

Regards.
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Quick Scroll 08.09.06 (2 years ago) #6

Hi! Guys,

The confusion about Australia still continues.
To get a Job in oz is basically luck. The truth is they have lots of jobs all over the country but why dont they give it to someone who has passed AMC. So what if you have UK experience , I know docs who worked in UK for less than one year getting jobs and the truth is these guys are no better than any other IMG, its just the fact that oz people feel safe giving them thinking they have worked in UK, but the work done in UK can be in a very small hospital which is of no use, just the UK name.
So the question is are they really bothered about quality of doctors or just some exp abroad.
Another example there is one doc who did just locums in UK and got a job in oz in a field where he has zero experience.
If one already has MRCP /MRCS from uk then you can progress well, but without that , its a long struggle and if you want to come back to India to settle later, you better be a post grad or be forced to settle in oz and take whatever is given to you, because you get more money.Talk about training , well depends on if you get in a tertiary hospital otherwise its a real waste, many indian hospitals teach you more in the clinical field.
Its simply a gamble and depends on what you are leaving back at home , is that more worth it or what u are going for more worth on the long run.
Lots to think about, but if money keeps you happy then go and gamble.
Good luck.
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Quick Scroll 08.09.06 (2 years ago) #7

Hi!

Guru/plabotomy is right. Yes they do make false promises and then you realise its a crap job you are doing. I know one doc from UK who worked in UK only for 6 months and went back home to india. He then got a job in aus but they just told him come and do this RMO job,[all non training jobs] which field they will tell him once he comes, I believe he got a post in a field which he has never worked in in his life, so imagine the quality of care, then i suppose if you dont do well, they will call him DR.Death etc and chuck them out, its a gamble, if you want to train and be a good doctor stay in india and work hard or go to USA. Oz is a risk for docs who want a PG.
Oz is best for people who dont really put PG as priority, but money is first
and its also good for Post grads from India, they have nothing to lose.
But their are a few who make it in oz doing PG, a long process, easily 7 years or more.
This is the real picture for IMG'S so dont jump at anything, if you hav esomething worth it back at home try that first with all your heart, only when you get desperate or feel that way give oz a go, or if you like taking lots of risks go ahead.
Good luck
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Quick Scroll What can you expect? 08.09.06 (2 years ago) #8

Good quality of life, good climate, friendly people, multi-ethnic/multicultural, sophisticated cities, beautiful beaches, the tropical rainforest, the Great Barrier Reef, great outdoor places oriented towards families.

In exchange for astronomical cost of studying, increased tuition fees, health cover fees, lengthy courses and lenghty waiting periods.

International student market is big business esp over here. The difference compared to other english speaking destination countries (UK, US, Canada , NZ) is the fact that there might be no intern posts available on graduation. No training post = no PR.

With increasing competition from Asia, naturally they're skimming off the top and opening doors to only a few. While UK docs with only 6 months experience are having a ball. None of this seems to be affecting Australia 's international recruitment.
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Quick Scroll 08.09.06 (2 years ago) #9

Hi!

Yes what dracardia says is true. If thats what a doc wants aus is fine.
PG training is always a ? Beaches, sunshine and the other stuff is there in most tropical countries, only that you have more time to go there if you like it in OZ.

Basically compared to the other western countries oz is for chilling out, it provides extra curricular stuff more than curricular stuff and if one gets carried away with that you will eventually get kicked out, esp for IMG's.
You cant enjoy all this to the fullest until you get a PR and ofcourse not end up living in the bushes.

Depends on what you want, if you have a family then its a bit more tricky, if your single nothing to lose.

Its good there is a lot of discussion about this and feed back from all.
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Quick Scroll 08.18.06 (2 years ago) #10

Hi,
I would like to ask you one Q? is that ,i have been working in Bahrain as a specialist post and recently i interviewed for AON and informed that send IELTS and EICS accreditation, I sent the IELTS , pls, can you help me to know how to do next?
Thankx
Anto.
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