Page 1 of 2: FAQ: Is HSMP the only answer to the new work permit rule?

Barryoor · Credits: 922 My Scrapbook

Hi everyone!
After the new work permit directive by the Home office on 7th march 2006 one can clearly see that the PFT is not valid anymore. That means the existing PFTs will not be renewed anymore. So those whose PFT is finishing off what do they do? If they do not have the offer of a JOB there is no permit for them and so they will not have a reason to stay in the UK too. They either have to return back or stay as a visitor UNLESS you are eligible for the HSMP status.
That will give one the right to remain and seek a job for one year initially. Is HSMP also governed by the work permit rules? I don't think so. So if you have that then you need not bother about permit or permit free.
Thus we can see that there will be two groups of Overseas doctors now- those with HSMP and those without.
The ones without will really have a hard time to decide and find out how to go about finding a job in this country.
Any body has a suggestion for the latter group on how to survive under these conditions plz reply
Thanks in advance
Barry

DoCooL · Credits: 2141 My Scrapbook

Barry i am looking for an answer to the same Q
the HSMP is not affected by the work permit rule
other than now new hsmp seekrs will requie 5 yrs for PR
the Q is even with HSMP arent they going to be 3rd hoice after uk and eu and overseas actually 4th?
even when PR is gained will they be treated euqal to uk/eu? i doubt it but not sure
and what after aug 2007 when no SHO posts?
i dare say not only us overses , but HSMPs too are unsafe though they arent directly affected AS YET
from your other post i gain a hiin that something mihgt be coming (by next yr) for the HSMP too
i shudder to think what..

DoCooL · Credits: 2141 My Scrapbook

some exceprts from another post by friend barry
which throw some ligth on what we have written here

"I think, by now, that most of you have heard about the impending changes in the immigration rules for postgraduate doctors and dentists with effect from 3 April 2006 (as announced by the Department of Health on 7 March 2006). The changes apply to SHOs as well as to SpRs.

If you currently have leave to remain under the Highly Skilled Migrants Programme, again there is no need for Trusts or for you to take any immediate action. If you are in your initial 12 month HSMP phase, I hope the current rules will continue whereby you can get a further 3 years and your HSMP will continue to be as “portable” as it is now and not linked to one employer only like a work permit.

Some people think the changes are simply to ensure that no UK/EU medical graduate is left without a job. More cynical people (and I think I’m coming round to that idea) believe that this could be preparing the way for an overall reduction in training grade posts from August 2007

With HSMP, you can move freely from Trust to Trust. You do have to pay for your HSMP, of course (just like your PFT) but you may feel it offers you more of a sense of security than getting a new work permit every 6 months.

However, the total number of training posts from 1 August 2007 is another issue. If there is a significant reduction in training posts in
all specialties, not just Psychiatry , then overseas trainees will find it harder to get into training posts. But do bear in mind that part of the government’s plans for
Modernising Medical Careers (MMC) include a number of fixed-term training posts as well as non-training grade posts (although neither option may be what you want):
ALso in their plans are
Fixed term specialist training – perhaps of 2 yrs

Career posts – basicly not training posts

for moe info one can hae a lok at barrys post on the latest update on change of immigratino status

PLS if anyone wantes to add somethign or knwos more do let us know

postplab · Credits: 707 My Scrapbook

To the above query regarding, is HSMP the only solution? When Barry referred that those who do not have a PFT can switch to HSMP or visitor visa. I think those people whose PFT has expired with no job offer, have only one option out i.e., switching to HSMP only if they can. They cannot switch to visitor visa if they do not have a job. They have to go back to their home country and if they wish can apply for visitor visa only from their home country, which is very unlikely to be granted. For confirmation visit the home office website.

Barryoor · Credits: 922 My Scrapbook

I mentioned that point coz one of my friends did that. He was a SHO in surgery and recently completed his membership was left with no job perhaps because he did not apply owing to exam pressure!

But yes he was on work permit and at the end of the job he was left with nothing. So he went and applied for a visitor status based on a clinical attachment and got it for 6 months!

He has of course now converted to the HSMP!

Barry

postplab · Credits: 707 My Scrapbook

Barry, that was poosible then, not now. And now even the new rules say, one can have a clinical attachment for 6 months in TOTAL. So, applying for a visitor visa on the basis of clinical attachment is not possible(now that they know the purpose of CA is for familiarisation with the NHS, doesn't make sense for an already been SHO applying for visitor visa on the basis of CA). Will be rejected.

MunishLapsia · Credits: 9000 My Scrapbook

I believe HSMP people are unlikely to be affected....

The medical staffing would divide the application into two groups. Those that require a work permit and those that don't.

So now all those who require a work permit would have a tough time finding a job... and if they don't find one in time before their current visa expires they won't be able to extend their visa's.
Clinical attachment visa's would only be given for 6 weeks at a time to a maximum of 6 months.

So basically the people most affected by the abolition of PFT are those that have come on visitors/PLAB visit visa's and would need a work permit to begin work. Most doctors who have been working herr for a while are eligible for HSMP.

Total number of training posts are being cut down and trust posts on the rise. Finding training position would now get even more difficult.... Impossible for those requiring a work permit.

DoCooL · Credits: 2141 My Scrapbook

munish
how in the long run would this affect uk/eu grads and those with PR and acquired uk citizenship
since the raingn posts are going down
is it of use to now get an hsmp which if one starts now may take 1-2 months toget and still a training job may not be up for grabs
kindly adivse
thanks

MunishLapsia · Credits: 9000 My Scrapbook

Dear DoCool

In the long run .... the UK/EEA nationals would be assured of appropriate training.

Training in the UK has always been very difficult for overseas doctors and worse so after the implementation of the MMC.
With the abolition of PFT it is impossible for those needing a work permit.

Not everyone would qualify for the HSMP.

And if training is the primary aim to come to the UK... one needs to reconsider the decision.

DoCooL · Credits: 2141 My Scrapbook

Thanks guys esp Munish , hopefully the HSmp guys get thier dues too, what percentage of the IMGs woud have HSMP , a wild guess?
as for work permit requirers , well I am lost for words, on all fronts work permit holders requires are to loose and IMGs in the long run.

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