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ADeity
Aim USMLE Step 1

hope to hear more from u all!!

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cookiemonster
Aim NEET PG

I'm asking you.....
I read at other places the disasvatages of going after pg. so then why are so many going after pg??

are you refering to the amount of time one would waste in doing residency again???
I would really like to know are ppl getting exhausted or is it some other things...
which goes thru a lot of ppl's minds but dont really like to mention as reasons..
like getting desperate etc etc


fragile_x
Aim USMLE Jobs

ok
the ppl who take usmle after doin pg from here........most of them either think tht life as a whole would be better if they get a resi. in US.
or tht their career would be better off tht way.
or tht even after gettin a pg here,they hate the daily grind tht each of us has to go through & the amount of time & effort it takes to make it work as a doctor in india.
or the work culture(or lack of it) as a doctor in india.

everyone has their own reasons.

ur best off charting ur own course,without being too biased or judgemental either way.

good luck

"sometimes a path less taken is less taken for a reason!".

peace!


nrp
Aim USMLE Step 1

please help
Ash B, that was a great deal of work. And it was inspiring too. Thanks icon_biggrin.gif
But what ive heard is different.Life is bad as an intern in US.Bcoz all u get it 3000 or so in $ as pay and with that, u will b forced to do second jobs as in Mc Donalds nd so.Most of the internees are on debts nd even after completion of the residency if u work there, most of the money we get goes as taxes to the govt. nd the rest what we have will b equal to what we got in residency.If interested i can provide u the link where i read it.Please let me know what u think about it. Whether my piece of information is correct or not.I was really disappointed on hearing that.
icon_rolleyes.gif Thanking you


fragile_x
Aim USMLE Jobs

hii
i have answered ur similar post on a diff topic.

peace!


AshB


Looks like lots of water has flown through the ganges... icon_smile.gif
Sorry guys was a bit busy and couldn't attend to my own thread!

nandini123 wrote:
Should I join the web preparation or is there any link to get latest notes. How long should an average student prepare to get a pecentile above 90.


There is no link to get d latest notes, plus getting these notes from anywhere else other than Kaplan is illegal. So ask out ur friend or batchmate who myt have d latest notes.

nandini123 wrote:

As u wrote If u r hellbent for surgical sciences reconsider.My query is Is One has done MS (Gen Surgery) and has a multiple entry visa the to do a fellowship there do we need mle score. A senior told me to do fellowship u need mle score as well. is that true

Yes surgical sciences were very difficult to get but past couple of years situation is changing and as one of my seniors at Mayo clinic put it, they r now 'within reach'.

Still getting surgery is tuf, needs good scores and other favourable factors too. Even when u get surgery, its rare to get to d good universities, leave alone top ones. So its like deciding between Psychiatry/Pathology at AIIMS and Orthopaedics/RD (preferences vary icon_smile.gif) from a small place.


AshB


cookiemonster wrote:
hi ashb!!!
i came across this thread today. wa surprised to see so many people facing the same dilema. Thanks for discussing the various aspects and laying out all the facts so beautifully. i have got a decent rank in all india. and i have even given stepi with a good score. so how would i stand if i finished my pg in india and then got into a residency in the us??.


Thanks cookiemonster for encouragement. icon_smile.gif N congrats to u for handling both AIPG n MLE scucessfully. Cool yaar!!!

D question u have asked is VERY VERY tricky n subjective. I'd say, it all depends YOUR OWN priorities. Decide how badly u want to be in US. What is that matters to u most.. time/money/family/working conditions/branch etc. Then weigh them individually b4 coming to a decision.

Well i took d smaller path cos doing PG in india is a waste of time if one is fully committed to doing residency in US. People do it to be on d safer side, so that if visa is refused or some other mishap prevents u from getting a residency or staying in US after residency, u still can work easily in India.

Now lemme tell u, contrary to popular notion, PG in US is recognised by MCI. See d following link:
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Yes govt does not offer jobs to US PGs but private sector is still open.

The visa issue is d only part where noone can be sure but to take or not to take that risk is a matter of how badly u wanna go to US. Ryt now visa situation is very good. In fact 2de itself my fren got a 6 month visa just after a 2 min. interview.

All in all, i'd say if u have enough patience and energy to pursue residency after PG, its not that bad either, specially if u want to return to India. But if not, the target is not too far away. Quickly give step 2, get CS visa and join residency in US in 07.

Good luck 2 u..


AshB


cookiemonster wrote:
I'm asking you.....
I read at other places the disasvatages of going after pg. so then why are so many going after pg??

are you refering to the amount of time one would waste in doing residency again???
I would really like to know are ppl getting exhausted or is it some other things...
which goes thru a lot of ppl's minds but dont really like to mention as reasons..
like getting desperate etc etc

Well y r so many people going after PG??? I'll tell u a few reasons:
1. As i already said, to be on d safer side
2. Many times, during PG they realise that it was not what they had dreamt of. They wanted to go to better places like US and so they rectify their mistake.
3. Most commonly, during PG they face d hard realities of medical practice in India. D working conditions, d frustration, lack of opportunities forces them to take alternative path. U won't believe how many people i've come across who r giving MLE post-PG just cos they were frustrated of medical system in india. Every time i come across seniors who r doing PG, they remind me that i've taken d best step in going for MLE and they wish they could've done that.


AshB


Thanks nrp and Adeity for ur kind words.

arihant_d wrote:
ur best off charting ur own course,without being too biased or judgemental either way.

Well said arihant!

Now regarding fellowship issues:
1. Fellowship does not require USMLE
2. Getting a fellowship is 20 times tougher than getting a residency via MLE (as arihant already put it)
3. In most of d branches u can't practice in US after fellowship, u need a residency to do that.
4. Usually the aim is to get in touch with the latest techniques and methods in a particular subject. For eg. when it were early days in joint replacement, indian docs used to go for fellowships to US to learn the technique and likewise.
5. At times its just d unfulfilled ambition to go to US that drives people to go for fellowships.
6. Strong research and contacts r needed to get fellowships.

Also see d following link:
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ADeity
Aim USMLE Step 1

well, should i add one more thing.. it also means that some ppl cant afford to leave coz of the cost b4 their pg..


Fertile


Hello -

This thread is really awesome +lovely+informative+encouraging+interesting+entertaining icon_biggrin.gif God bless u n may reward u (n respective persons) each time a person reads the post n get benifited from

god i missed so much, i should have visited this thread much earlier.

okk... no the thing is, im currently in 2nd year ......

(hehehe stop laughing icon_wink.gif )

n I have actually started with USMLE prep - ie purchased that kaplan + first aid + (BRS/highyield 4 respective subjects) as according to that wonderful guides around here.

-I wanna end up in Surgery ( but heard (from here+ elsewhere) that its really difficult to get residency there), but I still want to go for it

-I am really hardworking - i just need proper guide as in how can i effectively utilize my time + energy to achieve the task- rest im like ready to to anything possible that can pay me off in terms of long time benifit.

- i plan to apear for step1 on by end of 4th year -

- before clearing all steps, i have say 3 - 4 years at hand. meaning quiet some time - plz plz plz i beg of u to guide me for as in how can I best utilize my abilities and time to get optimum results for respective aim ( say residency) other than good score in steps.

- Research+USCE+CV +electives - some really imp aspects, i wold be really greatful if some great and experienced person amongst you could outline :

icon_arrow.gif how can I indulge myself into these activities
icon_arrow.gif how should I organise my self to get efficient and Useful results for my efforts that i put in.

lookin fw for a comprehensive reply. God bless u all, n may u all succeed in what u opt for, Thanks


anonymous


^ just look around for the info in various threads and forum on this site... you would find answers to all of your queries... its no sweat dude!


wondergirl


this article being selected as the editor's pick of the day comes as no surprise to me...


u deserve it every bit ashb...

not only is this article very informative and provocative it always shows ur selfless and generous nature...

u r not only an amazing contributor on rxpg but also a gr8 friend

smiley24.gif


dana
Aim USMLE Step 1

great work AshB.
Nice to see this thread getting its due.
somehow the editor is reading my mind...picking all my favs as the editor's picks..
One thing i must say about this thread....it really revamped the USMLE forum...
and kudos to the man..AshB!
gudluck and godbless...


AshB


thanks RxPG team, wondergirl and dana for ur really kind words.. When i wrote this thread i never knew, it would be so much appreciated by visitors. icon_smile.gif

I wonder if their could be any way whereby this could be refined by adding/deleting/updating any info that is not complete/wrong. Team please tell us if we could do that..


abhii
Aim USMLE Step 2 CK

thanx
thanx a lot icon_biggrin.gif ... us compilation was of great help yo me.... i have been looking 4 such info. since long but finally got most of my quries solved... was really really confused icon_confused.gif abt mle or aipge icon_confused.gif but now things seem to be bit clear icon_smile.gif ... had no knowledge abt mle icon_question.gif so ur msg. helped a lot to give a direction to my life.... will plan things better now... hope u be of help if i need it in future icon_biggrin.gif


shriya
Aim USMLE Step 1

icon_smile.gif congrats AshB..very nice too see ur thread getting its due icon_smile.gif
Every single person who reads it identifies with ur article ... smiley24.gif


abhii
Aim USMLE Step 2 CK

gooood
how does one feel when his word is admired so much icon_biggrin.gif
n how depressing is it when all ur hardword is reuined n u get no response icon_cry.gif
what all one can do is keep going ahead in life n many new doors will be opened to u.... same happened to me when i came across this site n read the msg send worldwide n find out my way ahead


AshB


Re: thanx
abhii wrote:
thanx a lot icon_biggrin.gif ... us compilation was of great help yo me.... i have been looking 4 such info. since long but finally got most of my quries solved... was really really confused icon_confused.gif abt mle or <a href="http://www.rxpgonline.com/forum2.html">AIPGE</a>
icon_confused.gif but now things seem to be bit clear icon_smile.gif ... had no knowledge abt mle icon_question.gif so ur msg. helped a lot to give a direction to my life.... will plan things better now... hope u be of help if i need it in future icon_biggrin.gif

Welcome abhii to d world of USMLE. icon_smile.gif Thanks for d appreciation. N all of us r there if u need any help.
Good luck!!


AshB


shriya wrote:
icon_smile.gif congrats AshB..very nice too see ur thread getting its due icon_smile.gif
Every single person who reads it identifies with ur article ... smiley24.gif

Thanks shriya.. So kind of u.. icon_smile.gif


psu
Aim NEET PG

hi everybody,i am planning to take csa by oct mid.willi be eligible for 2007 match.


AshB


psu wrote:
hi everybody,i am planning to take csa by oct mid.willi be eligible for 2007 match.

Yes U will definitely be eligible for 2007 match even if u take CS by 31st Dec, 06. But i'd suggest u do not postpone it from mid Oct cos that would give u a chance to get a pre-match offer.

Good luck!! icon_smile.gif


drss
Aim DM Cardiology

hello all..........u pple r realy doing fine yaar.this was not the case earlier....

all the very best to u all yaaar....

keep it up................

see u all soon..........


drss
Aim DM Cardiology

hello ashb............realy gr8 help u r to all thr pple for mle.....

best wishesh for u always........

see u soon.........

keep it up dear........


psu
Aim NEET PG

thanx ash b.i have one more q--what is step 3 and when is it req?


AshB


drss wrote:
hello ashb............realy gr8 help u r to all thr pple for mle.....

best wishesh for u always........

see u soon.........

keep it up dear........

Thanks drss, Where have u been, long time no see??? icon_smile.gif icon_smile.gif

Bestest wishes to u too... icon_smile.gif icon_lol.gif icon_smile.gif

See ya..


AshB


psu wrote:
thanx ash b.i have one more q--what is step 3 and when is it req?

Well i guess u missed that info in the article. Still i'll tell u..

Step 3 is tests our skills in the management of patients. U need to clear Step3 to acquire a practising license in US. Some states need u to do at least a year of residency to appear for Step 3 while some allow us even after we clear Step 2CS.

Another indirect advantage of clearing Step 3, for IMGs is that u become eligible to get an H1 visa, in case ur program offers u one.

Hope it helps.. icon_smile.gif


psu
Aim NEET PG

just one more question----i hope i am not being irritating can one go for mathching and join residency without step 3.thanx in advance


AshB


psu wrote:
just one more question----i hope i am not being irritating can one go for mathching and join residency without step 3.thanx in advance

No PSU i'm not irritated at all. I understand these things r too complicated to understand in one go. But i have a suggestion. Take some time n read thru the general topics in USMLE forums and i assure u none of ur queries will remain unanswered.

Regarding ur question, Yes u can go and join residency with out Step3 cos it is in no way required by any residency programs. It is only reqd if u seek H1 visa from ur program. Without clearing Step3 u can only go on J1 visa, which, infact is the commonest visa given to IMGs.


psu
Aim NEET PG

thank u so much


draditya
Aim USMLE Step 1

hi!
hi! i am aditya soral
first of all let me congratulate all of you for such wonderful,informative posts
i have cleared the all india 2006 exam(the future of which is.......?)
i have also cleared my state entrance(rajasthan) and am planning to pursue ms gen.surg.
the reason i deviated from my earlier plan to take mle was that somebody told me......if i do residency(surgery) in my country of origin it wud be easier for me to get a surgical residency in the US......please tell me IS IT TRUE?

the other confusion i had was regarding:what exactly are 1.pre-match 2.post match?

and finally(i don't know,maybe a rumour) there is a lot of discussion going on that getting a visa after 2007 wud be difficult......anything on this?

thanks a lot guys.....


AshB


Re: hi!
draditya wrote:
hi! i am aditya soral
first of all let me congratulate all of you for such wonderful,informative posts
i have cleared the all india 2006 exam(the future of which is.......?)
i have also cleared my state entrance(<a href="http://www.rxpgonline.com/forum79.html">Rajasthan</a>
) and am planning to pursue ms gen.surg.
the reason i deviated from my earlier plan to take mle was that somebody told me......if i do residency(surgery) in my country of origin it wud be easier for me to get a surgical residency in the US......please tell me IS IT TRUE?

the other confusion i had was regarding:what exactly are 1.pre-match 2.post match?

and finally(i don't know,maybe a rumour) there is a lot of discussion going on that getting a visa after 2007 wud be difficult......anything on this?

thanks a lot guys.....

Hey aditya, how're u doing man!!! Surprised??? Well, don't be cos u know me very well.. icon_smile.gif icon_wink.gif And d answer to ur question is.. Yes it does help if u have work experience in surgery (cos our PG counts as work experience there). but d question that crops up is.. Is the advantage worth the 3 years we put in Indian PG. Thats sumthing subjective cos different people have different opinions. Plus d fact that earlier getting surgery in US was tougher than it is now. In d words of my senior who r doing surgery residency in US is "Surgery has now come WITHIN REACH of IMGs"

Pre-match means the offer of a residency position given by a program before actual match process. If u accept it, u don't sit in d match and join that program.

Post-match scramble, as it is known, is d 48 hour period right after d declaration of match results, where d unmatched candidates make a fray for d unfilled residency positions.

Well this visa news seems to be a rumour cos right now d visa situation seems 2 be improving. But if i had to rephrase it, i'd say getting a residency at US is becoming tougher by every passing year due to substantial increase in d no of IMGs taking MLE. Thats sumthing that worries all of us a bit. But i'm sure you'll make it anytime u choose.

Hope this helps.. icon_smile.gif


draditya
Aim USMLE Step 1

well well well..........attention all people,ashB the author of this entire thread happens to be a gem of a chap.......why do i say this......trust me,i know him personally, man! world def. is a small place
and like i told him in the evening when i called him up: guys now i know where the GURU is,right here by the name of ashB kudos to u asheesh keep up the good work


AshB


draditya wrote:
well well well..........attention all people,ashB the author of this entire thread happens to be a gem of a chap.......why do i say this......trust me,i know him personally, man! world def. is a small place
and like i told him in the evening when i called him up: guys now i know where the GURU is,right here by the name of ashB kudos to u asheesh keep up the good work

icon_redface.gif icon_redface.gif icon_redface.gif icon_redface.gif icon_redface.gif
I'm speechless.. icon_smile.gif Thanks aditya, its really kind of u use those words for me.. icon_smile.gif

All my good wishes to u for ur MLE dream.. icon_smile.gif


psu
Aim NEET PG

dear ash b,
when r the medical transcript needed/


AshB


Can se sent with step 1 or Step 2 application or even later than that but before u apply for ECFMG certification

Its better to send it as soon as possible cos its verification takes sum time. Plus if any problem occurs we shud have some time in hand to solve that. Otherwise our certification might be delayed.


anweshi


grb post!! ashb.........this has been really informative. I too plan to take MLE but am taking the GRE route. Got my F1 rejected once oaready sop can't change plans to B! now. But this post did put things in perspective.
Keep up the good work.
thank you


AshB


dr_anweshi wrote:
grb post!! ashb.........this has been really informative. I too plan to take MLE but am taking the <a href="http://www.rxpgonline.com/forum24.html">GRE</a>
route. Got my F1 rejected once oaready sop can't change plans to B! now. But this post did put things in perspective.
Keep up the good work.
thank you

Good luck dr_anweshi!! icon_smile.gif icon_smile.gif


psu
Aim NEET PG

dear friends,can anybody tellme at what timeshould i reach the exam centre/my test is supposed to start at 9 and my center is in delhi.


sprite
Aim USMLE Step 1

step 1 scores
i've been told by a lot of ppl that scores are very important. does it mean that , nething below 99 is not good enough?? or above 90??
to get into a good univ, is 99 a must??
i am concerned as i got my scores, its above 90, but not 99.. icon_sad.gif
could u pls tell me regarding this... thanks


AshB


anything above 90 is good. But remember scores are just one of d factors needed to get into residency. See d following link for more info on other factors:
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doc_charitharth
Aim USMLE Step 1

helooooooooooo guys n gals... icon_razz.gif
me giving step 1 in nov...intern now....wanna study together ...presently imm in delhi ...gdoin my internshiop frm jaipur golden hosp....rohini...
dome my mbbs from gmc nagpur!!kindly reply sooooonnn...
bye.... icon_biggrin.gif


AshB


doc_charitharth wrote:
helooooooooooo guys n gals... icon_razz.gif
me giving step 1 in nov...intern now....wanna study together ...presently imm in delhi ...gdoin my internshiop frm jaipur golden hosp....rohini...
dome my mbbs from gmc nagpur!!kindly reply sooooonnn...
bye.... icon_biggrin.gif

Hi doc_charitharth.. Welcome to d world of USMLE.
I guess u would receive a better response, if u would post ur request in d already running study partner wala thread.

Good luck 2 u! icon_smile.gif


agrawal


hi ashb..
i got 43rd rank in maharashtra will be joinin from next month.. ortho or peds in mumbai..
i still new to usmle ka thing, ur post was good for people like me.. THANKS..
some of my friends suggesting that i should think of doing fellowship in us thru usmle
but what i read in the earlier post its not worth it after pg..
what u say.. know bout fellowship in india..
please help..


AshB


agrawal wrote:
hi ashb..
i got 43rd rank in <a href="http://www.rxpgonline.com/forum55.html">Maharashtra</a>
will be joinin from next month.. <a href="http://www.rxpgonline.com/forum94.html">orthopaedics</a>
or peds in mumbai..
i still new to <a href="http://www.rxpgonline.com/forum5.html">USMLE</a>
ka thing, ur post was good for people like me.. THANKS..
some of my friends suggesting that i should think of doing fellowship in us thru <a href="http://www.rxpgonline.com/forum5.html">USMLE</a>

but what i read in the earlier post its not worth it after pg..
what u say.. know bout fellowship in india..
please help..

Hi agrawal! icon_smile.gif Congrats on ur selection to MHCET.

The point u have asked is a very good one. I'm not sure what exactly u wanted to ask. But i'd rather say, it needs to be addressed individually cos lots of things have to be considered b4 taking a stand. Most importantly decide ur target first. Ortho and paeds are very different modalities specially if u plan for US. Plus u ultimately want to practice in India or US. Actually if u ask me, the easiest and simplest way is to do a residency in US followed by fellowship.

Because no matter what, fellowships are definitely tougher to get than residency slots. Those who think otherwise r poorly informed. In most cases, u got to do residency all over again, specially if u want a practising licence in d US. U need quite a few research papers and contacts to get fellowships easily.

But if ur prime aim is to practice in India, then u could try for fellowships after ur PG. In case u r unsuccessful, Indian superspeciality branches are not bad either.


agrawal


thanks ashb for replying...
ya i would prefer to settle in india.. so i was
thinkin of trying for felloship outside and then come to india..
heard of it being very diff...


agrawal


ashb ur thread is very good for giving a background to people like me who had no idea bout it... keep is updated.. thank you..
BEST OF LUCK FOR UR USMLE.. DO WELL


AshB


agrawal wrote:
thanks ashb for replying...
ya i would prefer to settle in india.. so i was
thinkin of trying for felloship outside and then come to india..
heard of it being very diff...

Yes, getting a fellowship in US is pretty difficult specially in surgical branches. A paeds fellowship will be relatively easier. U gotta concentrate on research throughout ur PG if u want to make fellowship possible. The more d number of publications, the better will be d chances.

Quote:
ashb ur thread is very good for giving a background to people like me who had no idea bout it... keep is updated.. thank you..
BEST OF LUCK FOR UR USMLE .. DO WELL

Thanks buddy! Will try to keep it updated with everyone's help. Good luck to u too in ur career. icon_smile.gif


AshB


I am adding d list of deadlines to apply for various slots, check out. It seems u have to complete d application before May 31. I suggest u fill out d online application immediately. Sned form 386 within a day cos d processing takes about 10 days once it reaches d ECFMG.

Also, it would be better if u call up ECFMG people and confirm, how much time d application process take in ur case.

Desired Eligibility Period.....................................Latest Date of Receipt at ECFMG:
November 1, 2005 January 31, 2006................September 30, 2005
December 1, 2005 February 28, 2006...............October 31, 2005
January 1, 2006 March 31, 2006....................... November 30, 2005
February 1, 2006 April 30, 2006........................ December 28, 2005
March 1, 2006 May 31, 2006............................ January 31, 2006
April 1, 2006 June 30, 2006.............................. February 28, 2006
May 1, 2006 July 31, 2006................................ March 31, 2006
June 1, 2006 August 31, 2006........................... April 28, 2006
July 1, 2006 September 30, 2006...................... May 31, 2006
August 1, 2006 October 31, 2006....................... June 30, 2006
September 1, 2006 November 30, 2006............. July 31, 2006
October 1, 2006 December 31, 2006.................. August 31, 2006



psu
Aim NEET PG

dear ashb,
what is ecfmg certification?i had given my step 1 in may and am awaiting the scores and my step 2 is due in july.when and how do i have to send this certification?

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